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Post by jjb3k on Mar 7, 2007 0:01:39 GMT -5
Au contraire. They fit the unMSTed versions of Eegah and The Wild World of Batwoman onto one-sided discs with no loss in video quality, so there's really no reason why they couldn't do the same for the other releases. Au contraire. I didn't say single sided. I said double layer. A single sided DVD can be single layer or double layer. A double layer disc can hold twice the data and costs more. The early Rhinos are double layer. The later ones are single layer. D'oh. You'll have to forgive me - I know next to nothing about the technical terms of the DVD world.
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Post by beljah on Mar 7, 2007 0:47:39 GMT -5
Thats why I like to watch the unmsted version, to see what was cut and what they talked over. But since people disagreed with me I'm leaving and never coming back . ;D I have to admit that I did check out a segment of the unMSTied "The Brain That Wouldn't Die". The part where the two strippers clash and you hear someone make a cat call as the guys are leaving the theater, I wondered if that was one of them commenting on the cat fight or if it was originally in the film. Turns out it was originally in the film. I also did use the feature in Eegah! where you could check out trimmed scenes while watching the MST version, but found it such a hassle to resume that I found it lessened my interest in it. I think Hugh's idea of doing Essential-type two fers of eps that were part of box sets that were discontinued, but they still have the rights to sounds good.
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Post by vanhagar3000 on Mar 7, 2007 1:34:23 GMT -5
Au contraire. They fit the unMSTed versions of Eegah and The Wild World of Batwoman onto one-sided discs with no loss in video quality, so there's really no reason why they couldn't do the same for the other releases. Au contraire. I didn't say single sided. I said double layer. A single sided DVD can be single layer or double layer. A double layer disc can hold twice the data and costs more. The early Rhinos are double layer. The later ones are single layer. Well one TV show for $20 (even if it is 2 hours) is a little pricy. -Frank Koenen
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Post by braindeadzombie on Mar 7, 2007 6:02:02 GMT -5
Are these TV shows or movies? The VHS price was about right for a two hour TV show/movie recorded in the SP format and the early Rhinos had the uncut movies to blur the issue and in effect raise the "value" of the DVD. But as DVD tech improved, the Rhino sets just keep looking worse in terms of value. Or at least at the dollar per minute value of TV sets.
I like the idea of having the uncut movie available and if it was Manos or G v Meggy, I probably would get around to watching them but some of the others? Not really. So I guess the set really should have 8 shows/four DVDs at 60 dollars by now. I do think its strange that other TVs shows are being rereleased at cheaper prices and improved formats/packaging while MST3k seems stuck on one idea, one format while the early ones go out of print, missing a excellent opportunity to reengineer the set's format.
On the other hand, if they are movies then this is normal. It's amazing how quick some movies go out of print on DVD.
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Post by ashkenaz on Mar 7, 2007 18:05:34 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it is pretty pricey to get the rights to some of the films and thats why they stick to only 4 episodes on a set instead of say 8. Notice there are a lot of films that have been released that aren't PD that i''m sure added to the cost of the set so to say. Other TV shows don't necessarily have to get the rights to anything to be released. Music maybe but thats about it.
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Mar 7, 2007 23:30:35 GMT -5
They also don't put 8 in a set because we'd have volumes dropping like flies - we'd have sets of 7 episodes all orphaned because Rhino lost the rights to the eighth episode. Frankly, I wish they'd stick to $20 two-packs for their new releases. It's safer rights-wise and a lot easier on the wallet. Plus, they could release them somewhat more frequently.
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Post by sb5 on Mar 8, 2007 1:36:09 GMT -5
Frankly, I wish they'd stick to $20 two-packs for their new releases. One thing that springs to mind is something akin to MGM's "Midnite Movies - Double Feature" DVD's, with two movies on one disc. Rhino could release a "MST3K Double Feature" series - Two episodes on a single, dual-layered DVD, priced around $15-20 each. Since they could come in a standard DVD keep case, Rhino wouldn't have to pay as much for packaging as they do for the larger "Collection" cases. Plus, as you mentioned, people may be more inclined to buy at a lower price.
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Mar 8, 2007 3:43:36 GMT -5
I like that idea, but keep in mind that that would likely cut back on the extras... even more than they already are cut back.
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Post by DoggieGoWalkies? on Mar 8, 2007 8:37:04 GMT -5
I like that idea, but keep in mind that that would likely cut back on the extras... even more than they already are cut back. Honestly, while the poopie tape was interesting, extras are fairly low priority for me. I'd rather have more movies.
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Mar 8, 2007 16:20:05 GMT -5
One thing that springs to mind is something akin to MGM's "Midnite Movies - Double Feature" DVD's, with two movies on one disc. Rhino could release a "MST3K Double Feature" series - Two episodes on a single, dual-layered DVD, priced around $15-20 each. Since they could come in a standard DVD keep case, Rhino wouldn't have to pay as much for packaging as they do for the larger "Collection" cases. Plus, as you mentioned, people may be more inclined to buy at a lower price. I agree but that just makes too much sense. I don't see Rhino doing that.
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Post by Hugh Beaumont on Mar 8, 2007 19:55:46 GMT -5
I like that idea, but keep in mind that that would likely cut back on the extras... even more than they already are cut back. Honestly, while the poopie tape was interesting, extras are fairly low priority for me. I'd rather have more movies. I agree. But there always seems to be people crying for more bonus features. And, honestly, I would like to see stuff like the Poopie tapes get released, even though there isn't much left, I don't think. What other BBI specials haven't we seen rereleased? We have Poopie I and half of Poopie II, we have Assignment Venezuela. The Last Dance Raw is a little too, well, raw to make a decent extra. They'd never get the movie rights to release the Summer Blockbuster Review-type specials. The only other extras that I can think would be worth the trouble would be new interviews or behind-the-scenes footage.
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Post by DoggieGoWalkies? on Mar 8, 2007 21:14:40 GMT -5
Honestly, while the poopie tape was interesting, extras are fairly low priority for me. I'd rather have more movies. I agree. But there always seems to be people crying for more bonus features. And, honestly, I would like to see stuff like the Poopie tapes get released, even though there isn't much left, I don't think. What other BBI specials haven't we seen rereleased? We have Poopie I and half of Poopie II, we have Assignment Venezuela. The Last Dance Raw is a little too, well, raw to make a decent extra. They'd never get the movie rights to release the Summer Blockbuster Review-type specials. The only other extras that I can think would be worth the trouble would be new interviews or behind-the-scenes footage. I think they could get the rights to the Blockbuster Special type shows because, to my recollection, those were all Trailer footage. Why would a company force people to pay big for a trailer? I know, they could, but I would think that given the way trailers are more or less freely distributed, they wouldn't stand to lose much by charging low on the trailers.
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Post by jjb3k on Mar 8, 2007 22:35:45 GMT -5
What other BBI specials haven't we seen rereleased? We have Poopie I and half of Poopie II, we have Assignment Venezuela. The Last Dance Raw is a little too, well, raw to make a decent extra. They'd never get the movie rights to release the Summer Blockbuster Review-type specials. The only other extras that I can think would be worth the trouble would be new interviews or behind-the-scenes footage. Well, there's the Scrapbook tape, but there's probably too many rights to obtain. It features KTMA-era clips from "Phase IV", "SST Death Flight", and "City on Fire", plus footage from the first live show featuring "World Without End". Not to mention the bit from the 1989 MST Alive show where Joel and two audience participants lip-sync to Aretha Franklin's "Think"...
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Post by sb5 on Mar 9, 2007 1:05:55 GMT -5
I like that idea, but keep in mind that that would likely cut back on the extras... even more than they already are cut back. True, there would be no extras (or minimal, non-space intensive extras like episode introductions or photo galleries), but Rhino extras are so sporadic (and as other have mentioned, they're running out of material from the earlier BBI tapes that it would be possible to get clearance for), that at this point, I'd rather just have DVD quality episodes, released relatively cheaply and quickly. The more I think about it, the more disappointed I am about the botched opportunity that "The Essentials" was. Releasing 2 episodes in a set that's cheaper than the Collections was a good idea, and they could've made a series out of it. But then (whether it was due to just a bad judgment call, to greed, or to some combination of the two), they combined an already released episode (one popular enough that many MST3K fans already owned it) with a new episode not available alone. It pretty much tainted the idea of "The Essentials" as a cash-grab on Rhino's part. Oh well.
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Post by XerxesTheCat on Mar 9, 2007 22:09:06 GMT -5
What about Sci-Fi channel's "Making of MST3K" special?
Or the MST3K convention footage.
I'd like to see a "build your own bot" feature, but that may be stretching it.
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