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Post by travis on Mar 4, 2022 21:51:52 GMT -5
"I'm usually not a veal guy, but..."
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Post by travis on Mar 4, 2022 21:34:39 GMT -5
Did not see the product placement coming. Hoping the "kitchen break" isn't going to be a part of every episode premiere going forward (but it *does* give you a chance to take a snack break).
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Post by travis on Mar 4, 2022 21:25:11 GMT -5
The riffing is REALLY great, I'm surprised by how many laugh-out-loud riffs there have been so far. The CG greenscreen patch-job is hard on the eyes, but the most important part is the theater segments and that stuff is spot-on so far!
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Post by travis on Mar 3, 2022 17:46:25 GMT -5
I have a soft spot for RETURN OF SWAMP THING, it's one of my most cherished films from my childhood, but it *is* a Jim Wynorski flick so it should be good fun for the RiffTrax guys.
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Post by travis on Nov 24, 2021 11:51:18 GMT -5
So what updates do we have here? We are all to familiar with the status/situations with Wade, Toho, and Susan Hart, but the Olive collection and Delta Knights showed a promise and would make for a nice 4 set release: 416 - Fire Maidens from Outer Space 905 - The Deadly Bees 906 - The Space Children 913 - Quest of the Delta Knights Olive films are the wildcard, as stated in this thread: [Olive Films (licensed from Paramount)]: I've heard from different sources that Olive has 5-year deals with Paramount on their catalog titles (for example, THE DEADLY BEES is set to expire in 2020). The other two titles should be expiring soon or have already expired., which should be expired or expiring soon. Assuming Olive films doesn't renew their license with Paramount, this would clear the way for Shout Factory to obtain them. Do we ave any updates about Olive? From the sounds of it, the rights have expired from the original contract by now. Did Paramount renew their lease on their rights, or is there an opportunity for Shout to make something happen? Yeah, pretty much just waiting to see if Shout secured the Paramount/former Olive titles once they were available. They could call the set MST LIVES or something. Everything else (obv) is not going to happen, or not going to be possible to happen for a very long time.
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Post by travis on Sept 17, 2021 9:42:56 GMT -5
It also gets back to the idea that at a certain point, we're here to watch a movie and experience it, with the funny commentary on top. The commentary is enhanced by shared experience of watching the movie and understanding why its bad. Cutting the movies down the way they do reduces that viewer-riffer connection. Otherwise we're just watching endless stream of consciousness on top of disconnected goofy film snippets. Wow, perfectly put. I've said often times before that I watch MST3K as much for the cheesy movies as I do the riffing. I want to experience some old unknown B movie for the first time and react to it along with my funny riff friends. THIS x 1000
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Post by travis on Sept 17, 2021 9:39:40 GMT -5
Editing the original movies down other than for content/cable TV slots changes the integrity (or lack thereof) of the original films themselves. Pre-altering some films will make them look like they had better editing than they actually had, others being pre-altered could look worse than they originally were. THIS ISLAND EARTH is a great example of this. The movie appears more incomprehensible than it actually is, simply because the studio demanded MST3k:TM be shorter. Why not use streaming as a way to finally keep the films [relatively] uncut?? Especially after all the trouble of securing movies in HD, etc.
Part of the fun of MST3k is suffering with them, watching them bravely riffing their way through. All of the episodes in Season 12 ran far too quick, it's really disappointing that it looks like they're going to continue the same trend.
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Post by travis on Apr 23, 2021 9:18:06 GMT -5
The KTMA episodes are fun to look at from a historical perspective, like Kurt Cobain's rough cassette demos on the With the Lights Out boxset, but I agree with Joel and the rest of BBI that they shouldn't be released on their own or alongside the later polished eps. Probably the best thing to do would be to release a "Best of KTMA" release, kind of like The Scrapbook Tape but a little more fleshed out.
I can't see Shout Factory going out of their way to license films just for the KTMA versions. I think getting K01 & K02 was the perfect one-off, they already the rights to the Gerry/Sylvia Anderson stuff, and the release was super low-key (literally just a promo for the Kickstarter). This would be the best way to go about potentially releasing any other KTMA episodes, keep it "underground" like as a Kickstarter promo. If we don't see any other KTMA stuff offered as an incentive for the next Kickstarter, then we probably won't see anything KTMA-related again (except maybe a box set extra like the edited Scrapbook Tape).
Really, the only episodes I could see Shout Factory offering as Kickstarter rewards would be the Tsuburaya TV stuff, the 5 GAMERA titles, and COSMIC PRINCESS/SPACE: 1999. Everything else would require new licensing deals.
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Post by travis on Apr 21, 2021 7:33:21 GMT -5
Yeah, QUEST will certainly show up on the next "Last Hurrah" box set. Shout is probably waiting to clear a few other films first. Unless QotDK has some weird "streaming/digital rights were available but not home video" situation, which I highly doubt.
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Post by travis on Apr 21, 2021 7:26:01 GMT -5
Hmm, I plan on donating at some point... not as much as the first time ($250). I've been spending a lot of money on GODZILLA VS. KONG related fandom stuff.
Honestly though, I'm with Diet Kolos on this one. If Season 13 is indeed filmed remotely then Frankenstein-patched together... I'm nowhere as interested.
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Post by travis on Sept 12, 2020 17:49:25 GMT -5
I'm really tempted to double-dip on this, if just to stash away the extra copy for when these go out of print again!
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Post by travis on Aug 28, 2020 16:33:03 GMT -5
^^^^^ I hated that aspect of the show. The original did have references to viewers (with the letters from same, and The Mads' occasional mention of ratings, and Joel or Mike saying "we'll be right back"), but it was more just a peak into the relationships of the 'bots and their humans and the evil scientists and such and their "experiment" and wasn't this blatant money grab. It might be indicative of how our world really is - unfortunately - but I didn't want to be clobbered in the head with it every second of the show. I'd rather have that home-spun feel still woven into it. There were no real quiet moments between Jonah and the 'bots, and there sure as hell wasn't any between Kinga and Max like we got with Clay and Frank. I think it still would have worked in this modern era to have that more homey feel on occasion and not the slick, over-done, smack in the face style. This.
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Post by travis on Aug 28, 2020 16:30:44 GMT -5
I'd love to see the already-written live shows turned in to studio episodes. A chance to see DEATHSTALKER 2 or NO RETREAT NO SURRENDER would be fun. It'd be even better to see them done like the original show. With the puppeteers voicing the robots, and the cast members all riffing the movie in the same room. Granted, COVID has changed all of that... but it'd be nice to eventually see. With the conclusion being that Joel all but completely squandered the take from his first, much-celebrated Kickstarter effort, I would have to end up sending in another donation in a moment of extreme weakness in order to participate this time around - contrasted against doing so with great enthusiasm for that first. Don't blow money sending merch to donors, just focus on producing another 7-8 quality episodes. You'd think he'd have done that the first time around - what change should anybody expect here? If Joel had raised 5+ mill the first time and hadn't wasted it on concept art, superfluous bonuses for backers, pointless star cameos, expensive, hard -to-schedule nerd friendly casting and, oh yeah, HAD INVOLVED ANY OF THE PREVIOUS WRITERS/AND CAST FROM THE GET-GO; and had spent all that money on actually producing a show, we'd be having a much different convo now. It may not have been the flashiest of products, it may not have even gotten picked up by Netflix, but I abso-freaking-lutely believe it would've been a better, funnier product. The amount of wasted resources and goodwill Joel spent on the Netflix series is incalculable. He burned his bridges with Trace and Frank, he wasted millions of the fan's AND Shout's cash, and now he's on his 3rd set of castmembers because he overpromised and underdelivered then tossed aside people that signed on, like Hampton and Grant Baciocco. What I'm saying is, Joel would need to do a big mea culpa and start from scratch, while giving some creative control to other people before I give him 1 more red cent. I'm with you on this. I was really excited about the Kickstarter and getting a new season, but the final product was so sterile and piece-meal. It could have been one amazing puppet show if the money had been managed better and the focus was on the show.
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Post by travis on Aug 28, 2020 16:05:48 GMT -5
Way-to-go Joshua for cracking the QUEST OF THE DELTA KNIGHTS rights! Glad other people are still doing digging on these last few hold-outs.
Very cool to see Shout snag the streaming rights to the GAMERA titles again, I wonder if they worked directly with Kadokawa or if they were able to work out a deal with Arrow Video? Either way, very exciting for the fans who didn't get a chance to pick up the box set.
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Post by travis on Jul 17, 2020 11:54:51 GMT -5
It boggles my mind when owners of these films start asking too much money. If Shout Factory can't meet their demands, than who will? Are any boutique Blu-ray labels planning a deluxe SOULTAKER or FINAL SACRIFICE release? Nope. Are either of them "cult classics"? Not really. They're best known now as MST3k fodder, which is a great way to give an otherwise worthless property a second life. Asking for too much money to renew is just pointless, because then their income stream for those titles is gone. Unless the owners pay to have their films scanned in HD and then try to sell them to streaming platforms, they're not going to be seen on TV or computer screens ever again.
It's a bit like the situation with the Russ Meyer estate. Apparently they were asking too much money when Vinegar Syndrome approached them about obtaining his library. So now you have a solitary website selling a DVD of FASTER PUSSYCAT, KILL, KILL! for $40. Look at all the potential income they're missing by shutting out actual home video labels.
At least SOULTAKE and FINAL SACRIFICE were in print for 7 years (better than GODZILLA VS. MEGALON got!), so there are plenty of circulating copies, but it's still a frustrating part of MST3k movie rights.
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