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Post by nightfalcawk on Mar 13, 2004 15:45:13 GMT -5
Well Sampo, you asked for it, now it's here.
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Post by yousonuva on Mar 13, 2004 15:54:14 GMT -5
Not even worth getting into. If you believe the "Adam and Eve" theory over the "ape law" theory, there's no chance of me even getting close converting you. Which is what I want to do with everybody. Believe only MY theories!
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Mar 13, 2004 16:07:07 GMT -5
For clarification here are the things sampo said that inspired this thread:
"Evolution is a scientific theory. The second law of thermodynamics is a scientific law. They contradict each other. So why is evolution taught as fact?
In a nutshell- The second law of thermodynamics states that everything (matter and energy specifically) will always move to a state of increased disorder.
Evolution theorizes that through generational adaptations, species (containing both matter and energy) move to a state of increased complexity and order.
In short, the second law of thermodynamics does not permit order to arise from disorder. Evolution depends on order arising from disorder. Ergo, there is a contradiction."
I don't believe that evolution and creationism have to be exclusive. But the bottom line is I have no interest in trying to change sampo's mind and he's not goint to change mine. To argue it further is too much typing.
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Post by nightfalcawk on Mar 13, 2004 16:09:39 GMT -5
For clarification here are the things sampo said that inspired this thread: "Evolution is a scientific theory. The second law of thermodynamics is a scientific law. They contradict each other. So why is evolution taught as fact? In a nutshell- The second law of thermodynamics states that everything (matter and energy specifically) will always move to a state of increased disorder. Evolution theorizes that through generational adaptations, species (containing both matter and energy) move to a state of increased complexity and order. In short, the second law of thermodynamics does not permit order to arise from disorder. Evolution depends on order arising from disorder. Ergo, there is a contradiction." I don't believe that evolution and creationism have to be exclusive. But the bottom line is I have no interest in trying to change sampo's mind and he's not goint to change mine. To argue it further is too much typing. In response to the question of complexity, what of atoms and quarks themselves? Why do they exist? How come all matter isn't superstrings?
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Post by yousonuva on Mar 13, 2004 16:12:08 GMT -5
In response to the question of complexity, what of atoms and quarks themselves? Why do they exist? How come all matter isn't superstings? Play-do man. It's all about Play-do, like wow.
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Mar 13, 2004 16:14:01 GMT -5
Which is what I want to do with everybody. Believe only MY theories! Not sure I want to believe only your theories but I do side with much of what you've said on the political threads. For the most part I stay off the political debates on this board. I come here for MST, some light fun and screwing with people. I think I gave nightfalcawk a good going over. Yeah, I'm kinda proud of that.
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Post by nightfalcawk on Mar 13, 2004 16:19:40 GMT -5
My great aunt and uncle are creationists.
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Post by TomServo69 on Mar 13, 2004 16:21:27 GMT -5
Not sure I want to believe only your theories but I do side with much of what you've said on the political threads. For the most part I stay off the political debates on this board. I come here for MST, some light fun and screwing with people. I think I gave nightfalcawk a good going over. Yeah, I'm kinda proud of that. Yeah, the only reason you agree politcally with him is because he disagrees with me. You know it. I have found things to agree with all of you about though, so, there's no problem. You did get over on Nightfalcawk. That was cool. Oh? Evolution? Hmmm, let me think about that one. Servo
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Post by CherokeeJack on Mar 13, 2004 16:21:47 GMT -5
Its strange. College biology teaches it as a fact, but highschool teaches it as a theory. Its a theory and a fact.
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Mar 13, 2004 16:23:53 GMT -5
Yeah, the only reason you agree politcally with him is because he disagrees with me. It's all about you isn't it Servo? Geez, talk about self absorbed!
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Post by yousonuva on Mar 13, 2004 16:23:57 GMT -5
Not sure I want to believe only your theories but I do side with much of what you've said on the political threads. For the most part I stay off the political debates on this board. I come here for MST, some light fun and screwing with people. I think I gave nightfalcawk a good going over. Yeah, I'm kinda proud of that. MAN! I feel exausted from those Goddamn Bush threads. But it's the only place I've found people getting into and I wanted to CONVERT THEM! I'll convert you all by goshdern. I think I made my points on politics as far as the MST boards are concerned, thank Jehozephat. More comedy! (as it's seriously lacking in these "troubled times")
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Post by otrfan on Mar 13, 2004 16:26:28 GMT -5
My great aunt and uncle are creationists. No, I think the word is Croatian.
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Post by TomServo69 on Mar 13, 2004 16:29:29 GMT -5
It's all about you isn't it Servo? Geez, talk about self absorbed! When was it not? No, seriously, I was just joking with you. You get so serious, I find it funny. But, on the topic, I agree with Cherokee in wondering why there isn't a universal way of teaching it. To teach as theory at first and fact later is just plain confusing. Servo
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Mar 13, 2004 16:30:58 GMT -5
No, I think the word is Croatian. Maybe Cro-Magnon?
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Mar 13, 2004 16:32:23 GMT -5
No, seriously, I was just joking with you. You get so serious, Servo You think I'm serious when I use the word "Geez"?
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