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Post by crowschmo on Apr 8, 2020 16:50:09 GMT -5
One troubling thing that crossed my mind. Most of the time if someone catches a virus and recovers they are immune to that particular virus from now on. If someone can prove they are immune to the virus they can't be carriers so there is no reason they can't go back to work. My disturbing scenario: 1) Doctors prove that once a person recovers from the virus they can't get it again and they can't be a carrier. 2) They develop a test to prove someone has the antibodies in their system. 3) Governments give people documentation that they are not a carrier and allow them to go back to work. If the only way people can go back to work is if they catch the virus, there will be a lot of people out there trying to catch the virus so they can go back to work. I just read something that said there are people in South Korea who had the virus and went through it all already and left quarantine, and now are testing positive again.Edit: After reading more into it, they're thinking it was that the virus was dormant and reactivated rather than those people being reinfected. And they're saying there are a lot of false negatives out there and that the testing is all over the map. Well, that's great. Hope these testing sites aren't doing anything half-assed.
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Post by crowschmo on Apr 9, 2020 14:32:15 GMT -5
On a very sad and scary note: A friend of my mother was in the hospital for cancer treatment and was exposed to the virus via a nurse. She already had just had part of a lung removed (she's been a smoker for most of her life). Now she's in quarantine at home and they are waiting to see her response to this. If she gets a full-blown reaction, she's not going to be in very good shape. We'll see what happens. She had actually been in the hospital still until a couple of days ago. She'd been recovering and no sign of the cancer when she was exposed. The nurse hadn't been wearing a mask (they're guessing that's how she was exposed) because there weren't enough masks. NOW she's home and doing better, thank goodness. Apparently the virus itself is now called SARS-CoV2, and the disease it causes is referred to as COVID-19. There's too much information floating around. Hard to keep track of it all without going crazy.
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Post by crowschmo on Apr 11, 2020 0:06:49 GMT -5
These people still have jobs, folks.
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Post by jasoncinema on Apr 11, 2020 5:16:43 GMT -5
This is what I’ve been experiencing. At first I thought I’d drank spoiled milk. Then three nights ago I took some gummy Alka Seltzers with melatonin and threw up. Then came the lethargic leg muscles, like I’d run a marathon. I initially chalked this up to stopping some health supplements I’d been taking but then it’s continued.
No coughing but some “heavy” feeling/some tightness in the chest, leg and arm muscles feel tired/fatigued, and that aforementioned “fog”....almost like everything feels like a dream. Along with less of an appetite and less bowel movements.
Does this sound like COVID-19?
I’m in Alaska, by the way.
And yesterday I tried tasting some of this generic Malt O Meal Cinnamon Toast Crunch I have...I could taste the texture of the cinnamon coating on each piece, but not the flavor.
Crap. 🥺
Today tasting flavor has improved but soreness/tightness is still noticeable. And right side of chest where right lung feels “glassy”, does that make sense? We’ll see how I feel in the morning. I work in a restaurant that has a drive thru and I’ve called out for tomorrow; I was already scheduled off Sunday and Monday.
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Post by crowschmo on Apr 11, 2020 13:39:31 GMT -5
^^^^^ Do you have a doctor you can call and describe the symptoms to?
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Post by jasoncinema on Apr 11, 2020 16:25:10 GMT -5
^^^^^ Do you have a doctor you can call and describe the symptoms to? Nope. And I got screwed on a reopened/special enrollment Obamacare window (long story...was misinformed by a call center person...🙄) so I’m uninsured until the window reopens/they reopen it during the pandemic.
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Post by crowschmo on Apr 11, 2020 17:31:20 GMT -5
^^^^^ Do you have a doctor you can call and describe the symptoms to? Nope. And I got screwed on a reopened/special enrollment Obamacare window (long story...was misinformed by a call center person...🙄) so I’m uninsured until the window reopens/they reopen it during the pandemic. Oh, boy. Good luck. Take care of yourself, and I hope everything turns out all right and that you get better. Holy sh*t. These poor people. They all deserve medals and more money (don't know where it will come from).
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Post by crowschmo on Apr 15, 2020 19:16:31 GMT -5
There are protests in Michigan and North Carolina from people wanting their state economies to open back up. I get the fear of losing jobs and having no money, but these people are crowding around with no masks and not keeping their distance.
There certainly won't be an economy if everyone starts getting sick or dying.
Again, I get the anxiety people are feeling from having to grind everything to a halt, but, come on, people, don't lose your heads. At least try to stay away from each other. They're going to prolong it even more if more people get sick from participating in the protests.
There was a pastor in Virginia that advocated for everyone to just rely on God and not worry about not going to church. He encouraged his congregation to keep going to services. Now he's dead. From the virus. Urgh. Do these people realize they are playing with other's lives? I wonder if more people were exposed because they took his "sage" advice?
This whole situation is such a mess and it's going to continue, probably for another year or so, if not longer. The repercussions will just go on from here on out, I guess, since we have to rethink how we do every stinking thing in our lives.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Apr 15, 2020 20:56:33 GMT -5
Covid is much more deadly to people with underlying conditions but more than 1/2 of adult Americans have some sort of underlying condition.
90% of people hospitalized for the disease have underlying conditions such as:(googled these facts) Hypertension (1 in 3 Americans have hypertension) Obesity (40% of Americans are obese) Chronic lung disease (13.4% of Americans) Diabetes (10.5%) Cardiovascular disease (48%)
The U.S. has had 640,000 cases and 28,000 deaths which is around 4.3% death rate even with the precautions. (Keep in mind that that is confirmed cases and many people have died without being tested.)
According to the Washington post around 20% of people who are confirmed to have the disease end up in the hospital. And around 10% of middle aged people who are sick enough to go to the hospital die. (Elderly patients and patients with multiple underlying conditions have both a greater chance of going to the hospital and dying if they have to go to the hospital.)
Even with the precaution we are taking, the worst hit areas have full hospitals and have started setting up emergency hospitals in places like sports stadiums. Medical providers like Doctors, nurses, etc are working 16 hour days trying to keep up with the demand. If we overwhelm the system and run out of doctors and hospital beds the percentage of sick patients dying is going to go up from 10% to 50% or more. (Conservatives will get there wish to go back to the old days. The old days of plagues wiping out significant percentage of the population. Welcome to the good old days.) In Northern Italy the medical system got overwhelmed and 10% of the people who were diagnosed died. (Not 10 percent of people who went to the hospital. 10% of the people who got infected which is more than twice the rate of anywhere else.)
On the other hand, most people in America have little to no savings. Half of people in places under lock down didn't pay their rent last month. People can apply for unemployment but if you have significant income under the table you can't. Especially in poor areas many people supplement their income with under the table jobs. So you've got an awful lot of people who have to decide whether they want to eat or buy grandma her medicine. People are losing the medical coverage at the worst possible time because the companies they work for are going out of business.
Say you are a father of four. You've lost your job and your medical insurance. You can't work. You can't pay your bills because your only collecting unemployment for 1/2 your income because you work under the table on your second job. You can't buy baby food and you live in a red state and can't get food assistance. I can see where someone might be willing to take the risk just so they can feed their family and get them medical coverage.
So now we are in a situation where if we release the restrictions we risk having the death rate skyrocket from 4.5% or so to 20% or more if the medical system is overwhelmed. But keeping the restrictions on is hurting people who live week to week more and more as time goes on.
There really are no good choices. No magic wand is going to fix this. Nothing could have prevented this but if the Federal Government had started spending money to create and manufacture test back in November when we knew this was coming, we might have been able to catch it early and quarantine exposed people before it spread. But one of our major parties has been fighting the good fight against science (reality) for decades and that wasn't going to happen. Once it spreads your stuck.
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Post by Afgncaap5 on Apr 16, 2020 2:37:12 GMT -5
Yeah. I really, really sympathize for people who are out of a job. I'm not the biggest fan of capitalism, but one of its arguable benefits is the *steadiness* of it. Best system? Maybe not, but it's a reliable one. The downside, though, is that it's not *designed* to just be switched off, and, unfortunately, switching it off is more or less exactly what we need to do. So I simultaneously want these people to be able to go back to work. On the other hand, I really can't support protesting the way they are... or support them going back to work. Blargh... this really is a no-win scenario.
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Post by mylungswereaching on Apr 16, 2020 12:34:16 GMT -5
I really believe that one of the problems in the U.S. is that one of the major parties has been telling people for decades that scientists are all lying to us and you can't trust anything the government tells you.
If you really believe that everything that the government says is a lie and that everything that the "liberal media" is a lie and colleges are just teaching liberal propaganda and you can't trust anything that you learned in school and that there is a massive worldwide conspiracy among scientist to lie about global warming, evolution, the round Earth, vaccines, etc why should you believe that that Covid 19 is really a problem? It would be easy for someone who believes in everything that the Republicans have been telling them for decades to believe that the Covid-19 plague is just another lie. People have been systematically taught to disbelieve all of the traditional sources of information for decades.
I'm not surprised that people are demanding to get back to work. I'm quite sure that there are a substantial percentage of people who really believe that everything they are hearing from authority figures about the plague is just another lie.
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Post by crowschmo on Apr 18, 2020 22:55:25 GMT -5
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Post by mylungswereaching on Apr 19, 2020 10:36:14 GMT -5
I'm not sure how much truth to this there is but I've read that many Trump supporters believe that Trump gave them the stimulus money out of his own pocket.
That level of ignorance is totally foreign to me.
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Post by crowschmo on Apr 20, 2020 12:18:13 GMT -5
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Post by crowschmo on Apr 21, 2020 0:19:42 GMT -5
Adam Schlesinger, co-founder of group Fountains of Wayne and writer of the song "That Thing You Do" for the movie died April 1st from complications of COVID-19.
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