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Post by BoB3K on May 24, 2024 10:43:08 GMT -5
See title change. This was the arbitrary time DK was going to give it -- two more months.
Anyone see any news out of anywhere?
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Post by monkeypretzel on May 24, 2024 20:06:14 GMT -5
In a now closed Season 14 speculation thread on the official Discourse forum (https://forums.mst3k.com/t/season-14-gizmoplex-and-mst3k-nothin-but-tumbleweeds/29870), it was disclosed by a writer for Season 13 (Devon Coleman a/k/a BlacDrac) that no one is currently employed by NuMST/Gizmonic Arts:
"It’s not currently a going concern. People have moved on to other jobs. That’s it. Maybe one day that’ll change, but for now, that’s the deal. There’s no updates because there isn’t anyone to give them."
This was posted May 14 in response to someone else posting the "last seen on the forum" dates of Lesley Kinzel, Ivan Askwith, and Matt McGinnis (1/8/24, 3/26/24, and 2/29/24, respectively, with none posting since 2023.
Coleman further responded:
"I like coming here. But there’s only so much I can take of reading about how my colleagues aren’t trying or must not care when all that’s happened is maybe they didn’t feel up to coming here to talk about their unemployment."
...and...
"I mean, hey, I come here for the same reason as the rest of you, to enjoy myself. If the show has burned up the last of its goodwill, so be it. I take no issue with that. But once it’s posting the last time people were on here like it’s some kind of Scarlet Letter, that’s a bridge too far for me.
And I’d feel that way if I didn’t work on the show. Their only crime is not telling what isn’t really anybody’s business anyway. It’s not even their place to do so right now. It’s literally not currently their job. And that’s my final word on it, though I’m sure this won’t be the final thread on it.
EDIT: To be clear, the part that isn’t anybody’s business is their job status. The part that isn’t currently their job is updating everybody on whatever comes next. If anything comes next."
So. There is nothing. Just Joel out there, somewhere, silent but creatively sated.
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Post by starschwar on May 25, 2024 2:01:52 GMT -5
That doesn't mean that negotiations aren't still being conducted. It sucks that people aren't working there anymore, but logical under the present circumstances. If there's no deal, no funding, there's no show for anyone to be paid to write for. The "maybe that'll change" phrasing does suggest something of an open door or what have you.
I do hope that nobody's harassing anyone involved with the production. Speculation is (usually) healthy, but there's no good reason to hound people over a TV show.
Back on topic, I still don't think this means that it is over. It just hasn't started up again. There is a distinction.
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Post by monkeypretzel on May 25, 2024 12:37:40 GMT -5
There is zero harassment. There are people comparing situations such as if someone wondering out loud where everybody went, or showing easily accessible statistics on forum use, or even going so far as to say, "Hey, it would be nice if someone from the show communicated with the fans here so we know they're OK," to harassment because they think that everything is fine if no one talks about anything uncomfortable.
Not upset with you, just being sarcastic here with the forum posters there because you have to "be kind" over there.
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Post by kracker on May 25, 2024 17:02:13 GMT -5
If people were still employed at GizmoArts, people here would be having a fit over them spending money on staff that isn't producing anything. The project is dormant. Until Joel feels the opportunity to start it up again and get everyone back on it.
It's pretty obvious you're not getting any news or updates anytime soon at all. Likely not until next year at the least. So its silly to keep counting the months.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on May 25, 2024 22:10:37 GMT -5
Yeah, if I’m being honest…… counting the months to see when season 14 is gonna happen now just feels like the equivalent of sitting in the middle of the desert in hopes that it will one day be pouring rain while you sit there and dehydrate.
At this point it just feels like it’s beating a dead horse. Whatever happens at this point will happen as time goes on.
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Post by Megalon on May 25, 2024 22:17:55 GMT -5
Sounds like the show is officially dead again. Bummer.
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Post by BoB3K on May 27, 2024 12:11:56 GMT -5
counting the months to see when season 14 is gonna happen ... just feels like it’s beating a dead horse. Not really my goal here. More just bored and looking for something to talk about. My take. I think this iteration is over. If there is another iteration, it will be another complete 'reboot', and it's very possible it won't come from Joel, but from someone Joel sells the rights to, or more likely puts in charge and he'll still be around but just to do a few huckster appearances for during the ramp up.
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Post by slainmonkey on May 27, 2024 18:56:58 GMT -5
Sounds like the show is officially dead again. Bummer. Certainly for the foreseeable future, but realistically I think it’s unlikely to make a return. Honestly maybe it’s for the best, season 13 was far more miss then hit, and if the show continued in that direction, I doubt I would have continued watching.
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Post by kracker on Jun 3, 2024 23:43:18 GMT -5
Yup. Should have gotten those snowglobes out faster.
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Post by BoB3K on Jun 4, 2024 12:54:53 GMT -5
Yup. Should have gotten those snowglobes out faster. Yup. Should have stuck with one new cast. Yup. Should have created new shows on the budget given by fundraising. Yup. Should have focused on making the next season after completing a season instead of things like live shows. Yup. Should have sold some damn merch. Yup. Should have kept making the show the way that worked the 11 previous years. Yup. Should have had one writers room and one set. Yup.
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Post by kracker on Jun 4, 2024 17:09:05 GMT -5
Yup, that was called a joke there, Bob. Already stated how they overloaded the show during a crippled covid production instead of just focusing on what was important, the writing. Then they asked for more money with no extra incentives (like merch) which I knew wasn't going to happen. But the big thing people complained about most was having to wait longer for rewards to ship and how they weren't going to support the new fundy because of the 'huge rewards debacle'.
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Post by slainmonkey on Jun 11, 2024 6:48:25 GMT -5
I feel too that Joel got cocky after 2 successful kickstarters, he assumed that the fans would keep the show funded indefinitely. The thing is, many of us (myself included) aren’t rich people, and dug deep for both kickstarters; I wasn’t willing to do a 3rd crowd funded season. It was an absurd expectation from the fans, particularly after a very substandard 13th season!
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Post by BoB3K on Jun 11, 2024 14:23:19 GMT -5
Totally agree, and would add that the first two had their own unique gimmick. (bring it back, make the gizmolpex, a self contained streamer).
Even though he was cocky, and people were getting tired, if he would have come up with another gimmick that actually showed more thought, and had something to actually hype again, I think they would have at least had a chance of making it even a third time.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Jun 11, 2024 17:48:13 GMT -5
I can't decide if the total lack of effort put into the fundraiser was because Joel was "creatively sated" and just didn't really want to do another season (especially after the response to Season 13), or if he became "creatively sated" once he realized he wasn't going to get the money.
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