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Post by intonyeon on Jul 13, 2024 13:14:55 GMT -5
I wonder if anyone would ask about MST3K…
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Post by starschwar on Jul 13, 2024 20:31:17 GMT -5
I do wish Joel all the best with his two-man show. Just the way he’s presenting it almost comes off as his way of wishing it were season 14 of Mst3k. Personally this is why I was pretty iffy on the show getting a revival in the first place. I think the 11th season was good, that being said I really haven’t had much interest in checking out season 12, and season 13…… I’m just not hearing a lot of good things about. Crow having a woman’s voice also doesn’t exactly sit well with me as someone who’s loved Crow when he was originally performed by Trace since first getting into the series at 6 years old in 1999 as a kid and hated seeing what his current voice and personality has been reduced to. I think that if you enjoyed 11, you should give the other two a chance. If 11 is a great album, 12 are the bonus tracks on the anniversary re-issue, if that makes sense. More of the same, just not quite as good. 13 - while I'm probably among the most vocal about my misgivings about the host segments, production design, and Emily's bots's voices - I do think that it's actually a step up from 12 overall. The pacing of the riffing is more natural, and I had a number of good laughs in the theater segments. The loss of the in-theater sight gags is a bummer though. If new Crow is too grading, there's no shame in skipping the Emily and Joel episodes (though one of Joel's does have Josh back for most of it as Servo so that might be worth the tradeoff to you).
That said, don't shell out if you don't have to. If they're (legally) still free to watch on Pluto or whatever, go for that over a full on Gizmoplex spree.
Interesting to hear about Joel and Emily doing riffing stuff!
I don't think it's 'over' per se just back to 'hibernation' as it was during the post-Netflix pre-Gizmoplex years. I wouldn't rule out one last Kickstarter before the end of the year. We should probably know more by Turkey Day.
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Post by BoB3K on Jul 15, 2024 14:29:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't rule out one last Kickstarter before the end of the year. We should probably know more by Turkey Day. Jeez, I don't know what to think about another Turkey Day crowdfunder. It better be completely different than last year's or it will feel even more hollow that than one did. |
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Post by slainmonkey on Jul 16, 2024 19:52:01 GMT -5
13 is…..oh dear. I will say there are a small handful of good episodes here, I'd be interested to know which ones you liked. I watched the first ep, and apart from the pretty bad host segs, I thought the ep with the season 11 cast and a mexican luchador movie was just fine. Then, I tried to watch one with the other cast and I had to turn it off after about the second line from Nu Crow. It’s been a bit, and it’s not a season that I committed to my memory that well. But I remember liking Santo in the Treasure of Dracula just fine, Munchie was strong, Gamera vs Jiger while not as good as classic Gamera episodes was enjoyable, The Mask in 3D was also strong. Only Jonah episodes seemed to work; partly because they had the most comfortable dynamic, and didn’t have the Nu Crow. The worst episodes were the ones where the ones where Joel returned, they were painful. |
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Post by floatinginspace82 on Jul 17, 2024 16:28:42 GMT -5
I'd be interested to know which ones you liked. I watched the first ep, and apart from the pretty bad host segs, I thought the ep with the season 11 cast and a mexican luchador movie was just fine. Then, I tried to watch one with the other cast and I had to turn it off after about the second line from Nu Crow. It’s been a bit, and it’s not a season that I committed to my memory that well. But I remember liking Santo in the Treasure of Dracula just fine, Munchie was strong, Gamera vs Jiger while not as good as classic Gamera episodes was enjoyable, The Mask in 3D was also strong. Only Jonah episodes seemed to work; partly because they had the most comfortable dynamic, and didn’t have the Nu Crow. The worst episodes were the ones where the ones where Joel returned, they were painful. I agree whole heartedly with this, the Jonah episodes were good (Munchie was the pinnacle of season 13 by far imo) the Emily's episodes were meh, although they tried but still really felt rushed and or un prepared. Joel's obviously out of practice, and it really goes to show how crucial Mike was to the original. |
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Post by slainmonkey on Jul 18, 2024 20:23:40 GMT -5
I agree whole heartedly with this, the Jonah episodes were good (Munchie was the pinnacle of season 13 by far imo) the Emily's episodes were meh, although they tried but still really felt rushed and or un prepared. Joel's obviously out of practice, and it really goes to show how crucial Mike was to the original. Joel was very poor, he wasn’t even up to Cinematic Titanic standards. I feel Emily’s episodes likely would’ve been better if they kept Nate Begle as crow, and had the cast she was familiar with from the live shows, as I feel his removal completely offset her entire dynamic….that and Nu Crow just wasn’t good. A side note too, I understand why they changed Gypsy’s name to GPC, but I hated how it was never addressed in show; almost like they pretended her name was always GPC….they at least addressed the voice change, in season 11….not her name though. |
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Post by starschwar on Jul 19, 2024 15:11:29 GMT -5
Is there really a way to do that that isn't comedic derailment? At least, while keeping up to MST3K's relatively clean style of humor? I don't really see a version of "we're sorry that your old name turned out to be a slur, we did not know this at the time" that's compatible with MST3K's brand of comedy. It's just a simple phonetic retcon in my eyes (ears?).
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Jul 19, 2024 15:26:28 GMT -5
I understand why they felt the need to change Gypsy’s name but I really felt like it was done out of pressure than generosity.
Yes, “Gypsy” can also be a slur. And you know what? So is “cracker,” but it’s also a food item. Frankly it’s first world problems like this why I have an issue with places like Reddit and twitter.
Sorry for the rambling but while I’m accepting of the name change, the way it was just kind of forced in there still bugs me.
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Post by slainmonkey on Jul 19, 2024 16:35:28 GMT -5
Is there really a way to do that that isn't comedic derailment? At least, while keeping up to MST3K's relatively clean style of humor? I don't really see a version of "we're sorry that your old name turned out to be a slur, we did not know this at the time" that's compatible with MST3K's brand of comedy. It's just a simple phonetic retcon in my eyes (ears?). GPC sounded clunky, plus you could have addressed the name change without pointing attention to the elephant in the room. Maybe because she’s changing so much as a character, maybe she wants a name the reflects that….I dunno, anything would have been better. |
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Post by tomtom7 on Aug 5, 2024 15:07:35 GMT -5
I understand why they felt the need to change Gypsy’s name but I really felt like it was done out of pressure than generosity. Yes, “Gypsy” can also be a slur. And you know what? So is “cracker,” but it’s also a food item. Frankly it’s first world problems like this why I have an issue with places like Reddit and twitter. Sorry for the rambling but while I’m accepting of the name change, the way it was just kind of forced in there still bugs me. I am dumbfounded that "gypsy" has been considered controversial enough to need a change. The Roma were\are referred to as gypsies, you could probably count on zero hands the number of European Roma fans or European Roma that even know this show exists. Are they changing the name of the Broadway show "Gypsy"...no, and it is about to be revived. Also, Broadway dancers in the chorus (actually ensemble is the correct term) are still called "gypsies" because they wander from show to show. There is a day every year on Broadway where "gypsies" are honored and celebrated. That has not changed either. |
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Post by tvsfrank on Aug 16, 2024 10:38:25 GMT -5
Just because something is common or you doubt anyone in that group watches (you’d be wrong), doesn’t make it right.
Just do what is right in life and don’t get upset when you’re asked to change a word you use to be a better person.
There are actual problems in the world to get upset about. Clinging onto offensive bullpoopie is a waste of energy.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Aug 16, 2024 10:47:12 GMT -5
If Joel wishes to change the name, so be it. That’s his decision. Doesn’t mean people aren’t allowed to criticize it.
Frankly I thought the name change felt forced and done out of pressure all because a couple folks on twitter had a temper tantrum over the name. But whatever, what’s happened has happened.
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Post by BoB3K on Aug 18, 2024 16:45:28 GMT -5
don’t get upset when you’re asked to change a word you use to be a better person. Wow, a lot of assumptions here. No one in an artistic or expressionistic form should be "asked to change a word." Maybe it could be nicely brought up whether they are sure they are aware of all the meanings of a word, but someone should be free to express themselves however they want, and if someone else doesn't like it they are free to ignore it, bitch about it, or whatever. Also, who exactly is making the judgement call on what makes someone "a better person," especially on something as innocuous as using various words. |
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