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Post by BilLumberg on Jul 4, 2024 10:58:04 GMT -5
The thing I continue to struggle with is the fact that when Joel got MST3K back he could of had the old cast return. Everyone but Mike was interested in some fashion. Oh well.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Jul 4, 2024 12:17:52 GMT -5
I mean Jim Mallon pretty much ended up dividing the crew after the failure of “The Film Crew” so…..
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Post by monkeypretzel on Jul 6, 2024 12:21:34 GMT -5
Joel is currently (as of 6/28/24) working on developing a two-man show with Wayne White, of Pee-wee's Playhouse fame. The information comes from this radio interview from last week at WUTC in Chattanooga, TN, with Joel, Wayne, and Bob Stagner: www.wutc.org/2024-06-28/live-with-richard-wayne-white-bob-stagner-joel-hodgsonIn the last eight or so minutes, Joel and Wayne talk about plans for a two-man stage show discussing their creative influences and endeavors, and a future art show/installation in Nashville planned for next year that will be very "environmental" and use puppetry and props, with plans to possibly build on that art show. Nothing about any future MST3K plans. (In my opinion, these plans make it clear that Joel's excuse about being creatively sated was just that. But it's his life, and if he's done with MST3K permanently or until he feels like playing in that sandbox again, that's up to him and him only.)
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Post by slainmonkey on Jul 6, 2024 17:08:57 GMT -5
Joel is currently (as of 6/28/24) working on developing a two-man show with Wayne White, of Pee-wee's Playhouse fame. The information comes from this radio interview from last week at WUTC in Chattanooga, TN, with Joel, Wayne, and Bob Stagner: www.wutc.org/2024-06-28/live-with-richard-wayne-white-bob-stagner-joel-hodgsonIn the last eight or so minutes, Joel and Wayne talk about plans for a two-man stage show discussing their creative influences and endeavors, and a future art show/installation in Nashville planned for next year that will be very "environmental" and use puppetry and props, with plans to possibly build on that art show. Nothing about any future MST3K plans. (In my opinion, these plans make it clear that Joel's excuse about being creatively sated was just that. But it's his life, and if he's done with MST3K permanently or until he feels like playing in that sandbox again, that's up to him and him only.) I’m not convinced of that, if he felt he was done with MST3K, I doubt he would have created a streaming platform for it, or attempt to crowd fund a 14th season. That said, his entire plan for MST3K’s future is dead in the water, he knows it, so he moved on.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Jul 6, 2024 17:24:51 GMT -5
I mean Jim Mallon pretty much ended up dividing the crew after the failure of “The Film Crew” so….. Well, I think it certainly chilled whatever relationship Mike, Kevin and Bill might have had with him. And to be fair to The Film Crew, it didn't so much fail as get sabotaged.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Jul 6, 2024 20:09:59 GMT -5
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Jul 7, 2024 7:27:52 GMT -5
Yeah, if I’m being honest, this two-man show just seems like a way for Joel to hide his emotions with the fact that season 14 isn’t happening right now. At this point with what Joel is trying to do, it really is starting to feel just like this. ![](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/705/640/673.gif)
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Jul 7, 2024 10:27:09 GMT -5
This might come off tasteless but it honestly feels very accurate now: ![](https://i.imgflip.com/8w6oez.jpg)
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Post by monkeypretzel on Jul 7, 2024 11:07:11 GMT -5
Wasn't Riffing Myself a one-man show about Joel's creative development and influences that lead to creating MST3K? Honestly, I got strong Riffing Myself Revisited vibes listening to Wayne White and Joel talking about their plans. I think it would be interesting for fans of White to hear his story for the first time, but I wonder if Joel has anything new to contribute about his past. It's a vanity project IMO, but more power to the both of them for having reached the point where they can be self indulgent (again IMO) and do something just because they want to.
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Post by kidflash on Jul 7, 2024 21:53:03 GMT -5
I would assume Alternaversal still exists and is active, but the staff count is basically Joel and it lives under the Shout Studios umbrella. If/when the series returns, they will add staff as needed. Personally, I think the show should continue on a channel like MeTV through some partnership with Shout. Have a physical studio space in Chicago with a small dedicated crew. Give it a Svenghoolie or Toon In budget. Produce new shows that are on par with those early seasons of the show and not the Netflix stuff. Release new episodes on MeTV and then after a season wraps sell the season sets through Shout. Even if none of the season 11-13 staff return, Joel included, I think it would be a great direction for the series. Svenghoolie is thriving, MeTV just created a second channel dedicated to cartoons. Imagine a double bill of new MST3K and Sven! Not unlike when Comet licensed something like 30 episodes and ran them on Sunday nights around the time of Season 11. Hell, Trace and Frank already appeared once on Sven.
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Post by slainmonkey on Jul 8, 2024 18:04:16 GMT -5
Yeah, if I’m being honest, this two-man show just seems like a way for Joel to hide his emotions with the fact that season 14 isn’t happening right now. I know I sound pessimistic, but if MST3k is going to continue to the road it went with season 13; should it really come back at all? Part of me would love their to be more, but not like it that. Sometimes the kindest thing you can do to a show you love is to let it die, that way most of the memories you have remain positive ones…..better that then it becoming a unending entity that we all grow to have contempt for, like the Simpsons. Joel has clearly lost sight of what made the show enjoyable; so frankly, maybe he is better off doing his two man show.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Jul 8, 2024 19:52:25 GMT -5
I do wish Joel all the best with his two-man show. Just the way he’s presenting it almost comes off as his way of wishing it were season 14 of Mst3k.
Personally this is why I was pretty iffy on the show getting a revival in the first place. I think the 11th season was good, that being said I really haven’t had much interest in checking out season 12, and season 13…… I’m just not hearing a lot of good things about. Crow having a woman’s voice also doesn’t exactly sit well with me as someone who’s loved Crow when he was originally performed by Trace since first getting into the series at 6 years old in 1999 as a kid and hated seeing what his current voice and personality has been reduced to.
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Post by slainmonkey on Jul 11, 2024 22:47:23 GMT -5
I do wish Joel all the best with his two-man show. Just the way he’s presenting it almost comes off as his way of wishing it were season 14 of Mst3k. Personally this is why I was pretty iffy on the show getting a revival in the first place. I think the 11th season was good, that being said I really haven’t had much interest in checking out season 12, and season 13…… I’m just not hearing a lot of good things about. Crow having a woman’s voice also doesn’t exactly sit well with me as someone who’s loved Crow when he was originally performed by Trace since first getting into the series at 6 years old in 1999 as a kid and hated seeing what his current voice and personality has been reduced to. 12 is a mixed bag, it’s certainly closer in style to 11 but it also makes the mistake of very slightly retooling for the sake of binging, which unquestionably hurt some episodes. Season 12 seemed to have a lower quality of writing much of the time too, with resorting to more fart jokes for some reason. Still I’d say half of season 12 is still pretty good, I feel the good episodes certainly make the season worth at least a single watch; though it’s still obviously MST3K in decline. 13 is…..oh dear. I will say there are a small handful of good episodes here, but they feel like an oasis in a vast desert. The woman Crow isn’t good, she’s doing an overly forced cartoony voice the whole time, and it makes her riffs often feel unnatural. There’s been even more changes this time around, and to the point it’s starting to not feel like MST3k, but rather a crude imitation. Particularly weak were the episodes which featured Joel himself…yikes.
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Post by BoB3K on Jul 12, 2024 1:38:43 GMT -5
13 is…..oh dear. I will say there are a small handful of good episodes here, I'd be interested to know which ones you liked. I watched the first ep, and apart from the pretty bad host segs, I thought the ep with the season 11 cast and a mexican luchador movie was just fine. Then, I tried to watch one with the other cast and I had to turn it off after about the second line from Nu Crow.
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Post by dc41 on Jul 13, 2024 12:28:34 GMT -5
Joel along with Emily and Matt are at Blobfest in Phoenixville, Pa. tomorrow , riffing Beware the Blob:
Proof that we listen to the Blobbies! At long last we present ‘Beware! The Blob’ aka ‘Son of the Blob’ at Blobfest, featuring Matt McGinnis’ Movie Riffing Melee live with Emily Marsh and Joel Hodgson!
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