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Post by kracker on Jun 11, 2024 18:08:02 GMT -5
Its not really 'cocky', its bad math. Which they admitted they flubbed during the campaign. They know the amount of Gizmoplex subscribers they have and that they didnt have the numbers to reach the goal. And its not all on Joel, you're forgetting his team of experienced fundraisers that would have told him, no we just dont have the numbers to reach that budget. The 2nd fundraiser only got a little bit more money than the last one, how anyone on his team thought they could get over 33% percent more without relying on some kind of really big way to push it is beyond me.
As for gimmicks, gimmicks also wound up hurting the S13. Eventually you have to stop relying on gimmicks and other special incentives because you're either going to run out those or compromise the show to fit them in.
Also people keep reading too much into the "creatively sated" comment. I dont know how much more mileage you guys plan on getting out of it. But if Joel didnt want to do another season then why bother doing a fundraiser and wasting people's time? If he was "creatively sated" the way you like to think that means then he would just sell the show, once again, why would he care so much about keeping it if he was already "creatively sated" and done with it like you think he is?
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Jun 11, 2024 23:22:43 GMT -5
To be fair, I feel like Joel really kind of let these kickstarter events to go his head with the mindset that every single one would be successful. That’s where I believe some of us were saying he was cocky.
Bad math plays a factor for sure but it really feels like him starting a fund for a season 14 was more him just wanting to have something to continue on with his career, since MST really has been his baby since day 1 in 1988.
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Post by kracker on Jun 12, 2024 19:49:11 GMT -5
Right but how? I failed to see this cocky attitude in any of his updates or interviews. Other than of course, the raised goals. Its honestly the same jargon from the previous campaign. I believe more that people just tend to read what they like out of Joel and the success of the previous campaigns. I mean, come on, so he's cocky that we'll just fork over any amount of money for Season 14 no worries, but at the same time doesn't really want to do the show and doesn't care. Success has gone to his head but at the same time he's "creatively sated". It's quite the tale of two Joels.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Jun 12, 2024 20:11:46 GMT -5
I failed to see this cocky attitude in any of his updates or interviews. Well then I think you just told your own answer there. Plus if these are updates and interviews then obviously he’s gonna have to hide his feelings with this. I know Joel wanting to continue with the show is something he’s passionate about but he clearly just had too many high expectations with this…… and look where it led him.
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Post by kracker on Jun 12, 2024 22:37:35 GMT -5
Plus if these are updates and interviews then obviously he’s gonna have to hide his feelings with this. Well then you also admit you're just reading tea leaves on that. There's just nothing in updates or interviews that indicates this level of cockiness so was asking where we were getting that.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Jun 19, 2024 16:24:08 GMT -5
We already knew that Gizmonic Arts a/k/a Alternaversal was shut down, but Lesley Kinzel confirmed it when she posted to her Facebook account Monday (6/27/24) that she was looking for work. The relevant part: "Hello friends! I am logging into Facebook for the first time in eons to announce that I am looking for a job. The production company that has employed me for the last several years (and which made the last three seasons of Mystery Science Theater 3000!) shut down in January, and I’ve spent a few months doing freelance work, but I’m ready to find my next gig."Again, nothing we didn't know, but this is the most official word we've gotten that NuMST resembles a Norwegian Blue. I'm not sure if the link to Lesley's post will work if you're not following her or a Facebook friend, but I'll include it in case it does: www.facebook.com/lesley.kinzel/posts/pfbid0yexpzqyV7FsCuAb3KgFqE352K9JufS5HSwNB5z5vWKKZytFU6GKvnLWNzCyjoohal
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Post by BoB3K on Jun 19, 2024 19:37:00 GMT -5
Well, there you go, right there -- "shutdown in January"
I would call that a confirmation on the timing of that last crowdfunder. It was then or never, more money from viewers or close up shop.
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Post by kracker on Jun 19, 2024 19:58:39 GMT -5
Yeah, that's kinda how it works :b viewer pay = you get show no money = no show happen, studio shut down
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Post by starschwar on Jun 21, 2024 21:32:01 GMT -5
gizmoplex.com 's WHOIS data indicates it is registered to Alternaversal (and was first registered in 2012?!) and is set to expire in December of this year. I don't entirely know how that works, but I think if nothing is done for renewal before that point, I'm ready to accept that it's over (for now).
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Post by ds_36 on Jun 22, 2024 5:17:35 GMT -5
(and was first registered in 2012?!) Before this turns into some sort of conspiracy theory 2013 gizmoplex.com had nothing to do with MST3K. The site was abandoned in early 2021 and for sale by the end of 2021. It only became MST3K related in 2022. Specifically according to historical WHOIS data it was first purchased by a man from New Lebanon, OH on 12/15/2012. Ownership changed to a private owner on 06/21/2021 (that's how it's listed - the address and phone number go back to Tucows a domain name service provider in Toronto, ON). Alternaversal only became the registered owner in the most recent transfer on 05/18/2024.
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Post by kracker on Jun 24, 2024 21:08:29 GMT -5
gizmoplex.com 's WHOIS data indicates it is registered to Alternaversal (and was first registered in 2012?!) and is set to expire in December of this year. I don't entirely know how that works, but I think if nothing is done for renewal before that point, I'm ready to accept that it's over (for now). as someone who has a couple of websites, that's normal. I have domains that are set to expire yearly and just have make sure they get renewed.
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Post by slainmonkey on Jul 2, 2024 7:23:42 GMT -5
I can't decide if the total lack of effort put into the fundraiser was because Joel was "creatively sated" and just didn't really want to do another season (especially after the response to Season 13), or if he became "creatively sated" once he realized he wasn't going to get the money. Honestly it seems like the latter. I think the plan with the Gizmoplex was that the fans would continue to crowdfund the show for the rest of eternity. That’s all well and good for someone like Joel who’s career had set him up very comfortably for the rest of his life; but many of us (myself included) had to dig deep to donate to the 2 kickstarters that we did, and to expect people like us to fund the show indefinitely like that was outrageous. Like I said when I crowdfunded season 13, that I hoped that Joel was going to make it self sustaining, or I felt the show would suffer the fate it did…..sadly I was proven correct. That was before I knew how substandard season 13 was going to be (Joel’s own episodes being particularly weak). Honestly I feel him saying that he’s “creatively sated” is just a way of saving face. He doesn’t wanna admit the Gizmoplex was an idea that was doomed from the start; he doesn’t wanna admit the fact that the more he tried to retool the show, it the more that it lost its heart and soul; and he really didn’t wanna admit to the fact that it was his own ideas that has now single handedly doomed the show. I am thankful to Joel for creating Mystery Science Theatre, but he is also the man who killed it.
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Post by BoB3K on Jul 2, 2024 16:52:14 GMT -5
I am thankful to Joel for creating Mystery Science Theatre, but he is also the man who killed it. Wow, powerful quote. But, I think totally accurate.
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Post by CrowTrobotfan92 on Jul 2, 2024 18:47:01 GMT -5
It is a case where Joel really just didn’t have a well thought-out planned idea.
If his plan was to just rely on kickstarters for every single new season then that’s basically a gamble right there. I’m personally not big on the reboot stuff aside from season 11 being pretty decent for what it is (decent in a loose way), and with what I’ve heard with season 13, I can understand why many people chose not to throw in their money if they’re just going to get mediocre episodes in return.
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Post by Troy's Dad on Jul 3, 2024 11:24:18 GMT -5
I would assume Alternaversal still exists and is active, but the staff count is basically Joel and it lives under the Shout Studios umbrella. If/when the series returns, they will add staff as needed.
Personally, I think the show should continue on a channel like MeTV through some partnership with Shout. Have a physical studio space in Chicago with a small dedicated crew. Give it a Svenghoolie or Toon In budget. Produce new shows that are on par with those early seasons of the show and not the Netflix stuff. Release new episodes on MeTV and then after a season wraps sell the season sets through Shout. Even if none of the season 11-13 staff return, Joel included, I think it would be a great direction for the series. Svenghoolie is thriving, MeTV just created a second channel dedicated to cartoons. Imagine a double bill of new MST3K and Sven!
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