why is it only girls?

[yousonuva]

CherokeeJack said:

He just looks like he needs a sandwhich.

lol......mmmm, now sandwiches are SEXY!

[Blurryeye]

yousonuva said:

What're you talking about? Please reread my note. I never said MEN aren't attractive, only our asses. In fact I even admitted there's a beauty in everything, including me- them. Cherokee said it, hit him.

Ok Ok, you did only say that men's asses are not attractive. My bad! And once again, I'm not trying to put anyone down, or "hit" anyone for not finding men or parts of men attractive! It's just interesting to me. I mean, I can see that Angelina Jolie is hot, or Mamie Van Doren, or Lisa Foster from Cave Dwellers. I can even say it out loud. But many men can't see sexiness in other men. That's interesting.

[yousonuva]

Blurryeye said:

I'm not trying to put anyone down, or "hit" anyone for not finding men or parts of men attractive!.

But I want you to hit Cherokee. It's funny.....scurvy injuns.

[marytrobot]

Blurryeye said:

Yes, you are totally right. Both the mother and father contribute to the mistakes, as well as the successes, men make in relationships, and the man's attitude in general. And of course nature plays a part.

I know that men can't be changed very easily. That's why I've said that men aren't going to do much to stop the objectification of women or increase the objectification of men. Women will have to do it for themselves if that's what they want. And it will be a long time before women will be in positions of power equal to men. But it is happening, and attitudes are changing little by little.

CherokeeJack and yousonuva's statements about men not being attractive, or just plain ugly, have made me start thinking about how strange it is that a woman can recognize and talk about another woman's beauty/sexiness, but heterosexual men often do not recognize beauty or sexiness in other men. I don't think they're lying or trying to cover up what may be perceived as "gayness", I think a lot of men really can't see it.

I mean, I would be amazed if anyone could not acknowledge the beauty of this man:

I posted his picture yesterday, but I just have to do it again.

I suppose my father made sure that we all respected our mother, he made sure we understood everything she did for us, and it's really obvious in the way my family is. My sisters and I won't tolarate any sort of degrading from men, and I might quote my dad when I went out with my friend to the fair one day, "mary, what are you gonna do, if a man bugs you?"
"scream for help?"
"no, throw up on him, then scream."
and blurryeye though that man is beautiful I don't go for the pretty boy look so much as the rugged man.
see the guy on your right? yeah that's my favorite man on TV right now....¡que guapo esta!

[Blurryeye]

CherokeeJack said:

He just looks like he needs a sandwhich.

See? I'm amazed, but I believe you. I wonder why it is that heterosexual women can find other women good-looking, but many heterosexual men cannot find other men good-looking. I don't think the desire or lack of desire to hump the person has anything to do with it.

MaryT, that guy is totally hot! I like many types of men. I tend to be attracted to dark, rugged types like your guy, and/or men with pretty eyes and faces like Jude Law. I tend to like greasers, so rough-around-the-edges is good with me, too. However, I do not like the All-American boy type, muscle-builder or football player that many women dig.

[CherokeeJack]

I wonder if it has anything to do with the general acceptence of two women kissing (whether its being mature or not). You never really see a close up of two guys swaping spit unless its in a movie.

Somewhat off subject rant ahead.

Heres a theory. Women are actually the basis of humanity. Pretty soon men will be abosolete, women can get aritifically inseminated and sperm can be cloned. Even if the technology isnt perfected. But anyway the theory is that men are just another form of the female. We were given that y chromosome so we would be given different attributes to protect the race and provide a way to naturally create others. This is why men have nipples. We are women per say, just with a Y chromosome which gives us differences. Women are providers, they protect and raise the young (generally) and men hunted and warred with other threatening tribes. However in celtic society women had equal rights and also fought along side men, but in general, women provided for the young. My point is, men are going to become pointless and women will inheret the Earth eventually, because men are being born less and less everyday. its a 52/48 men and the percent is decreasing. In a first world country, more women are born than men. so what Im trying to say is human men will eventually become extinct.

Of course the bible says adam came first among other things, but I don't believe in that book. Earth is a creator and so are women. Men will soon be a passing fad.

[CherokeeJack]

I sound like a lesbian.

[marytrobot]

CherokeeJack said:

I wonder if it has anything to do with the general acceptence of two women kissing (whether its being mature or not). You never really see a close up of two guys swaping spit unless its in a movie.

Somewhat off subject rant ahead.

Heres a theory. Women are actually the basis of humanity. Pretty soon men will be abosolete, women can get aritifically inseminated and sperm can be cloned. Even if the technology isnt perfected. But anyway the theory is that men are just another form of the female. We were given that y chromosome so we would be given different attributes to protect the race and provide a way to naturally create others. This is why men have nipples. We are women per say, just with a Y chromosome which gives us differences. Women are providers, they protect and raise the young (generally) and men hunted and warred with other threatening tribes. However in celtic society women had equal rights and also fought along side men, but in general, women provided for the young. My point is, men are going to become pointless and women will inheret the Earth eventually, because men are being born less and less everyday. its a 52/48 men and the percent is decreasing. In a first world country, more women are born than men. so what Im trying to say is human men will eventually become extinct.

Of course the bible says adam came first among other things, but I don't believe in that book. Earth is a creator and so are women. Men will soon be a passing fad.

how'd you figure out our top secret investigation? you will have to be killed.
btw: blurryeye, you and I totally agree on men, when I get back from my dinner, i will be posting more of the great men of spain for you

[Blurryeye]

CherokeeJack said:

I sound like a lesbian.

LOL!
I hope your theory isn't right, BTW. I like men, really I do!

[yousonuva]

Hey Cherokee, that's a very intresting view. I have also thought of where men and women originated and to use your theory it would've happened from the very first living bacteria. Somewhere, somehow, they split up to become a reproducing entity. But not all organisms reproduce bisexually. There are unisex beings and if women find a way to be them, we're in deep s*it. But most women generally love us guys, cause mainly we do stuff for em, so until they get so sick of us , they start fixin the pipes themselves, I don't think we should worry about it too much.

I gotta ask, was any pharmicudical agent involved in developing this theory? I know it has to me.

[colemanfrancisfan]

Well, gigolo Jude has on a ton of makeup and the lighting is too unnatural, I mean I've never seen anyone in that lighting in real life. In real life, I think Jude Law is average, and I've seen some pictures that look like he's just woken up, not too pretty. I agree with yousonuva, men's asses are for sitting on chairs and sofas, not looking at. And I think women like women because they are like the ones in the middle. Like a bowl, men are all on the rim, and women are all in the bottom of the bowl. Men will keep their distance from other men, only looking down on all the women in the center. Women, since all they can see is up and around themselves, are naturally going to find what they see attractive. That's my little analogy. Sure there are flaws, but it suits me.

[Blurryeye]

Yes, that picture is of Jude at his prettiest, with impeccable make-up and flattering lighting. But, you could do the exact same thing with make-up and lighting on an average guy, and he would not look that good! And you know that women in movies wear make-up and have flattering lighting, but that doesn't make one think they're actually average-looking. There are pics of celebrity women who have looked gorgeous in movies and interviews and such, that are not flattering and show them looking rather average. Does that mean that no one is really exceptionally good-looking? No way! Make-up can only do so much, it can't make a truly average-looking person beautiful. Alternately, it can really bring out the beauty in someone's face who already has it.

In Cold Mountain Jude did not have a "glamorous" look at all, it was the opposite of his look in AI, but he was still just as attractive. He is an exceptionally good-looking man, even when he doesn't look so good. Ok, that doesn't make sense. I mean, he has the bone structure, the eyes, the skin, and the body of beauty, regardless of how average he may look in some photos, or right after waking up. And he has that intangible quality of animal magnetism that makes real sexiness. Of course, I cannot change your opinion of whether or not Jude Law is attractive.

Hey, Kevin Murphy has said that he's like the genetic clone of Michael Caine in acting ability, only "much easier on the eyes." So he can see it. But I know I'm fighting an uphill battle here. I don't expect any heterosexual man to find him attractive, because many men just can't see it. So my point is, Jude Law is beautiful, but I don't expect you to recognize it.

[Gemini Man]

CherokeeJack said:

women sell more. They attract more attention in general.

True.

Sex sells. And since men are more visual when it comes to what is sexy, then that's what we will see on tv. Women know this and all to often it's used as an extortion tool. I hardly think that this is objectifying or exploiting women when you think about how much leverage they create with their looks alone (ie. a sugar daddy to pay the way).

[Blurryeye]

yousonuva said:

But most women generally love us guys, cause mainly we do stuff for em, so until they get so sick of us , they start fixin the pipes themselves, I don't think we should worry about it too much.

You are probably not being completely serious, but I have to think that you do believe that idea to some extent. So, here I go. Once again, I must state that I am not attacking you personally, so try not to be offended.

Ah, yes, the fear that if women figure out how to pleasure themselves as much as a man can, they will lose all desire for men and men will become obsolete. Within this idea is the assumption that women only desire men for the mechanics of sexual pleasure, or at least that's the main desire. This is a prime example of why women's control over their own sexuality is repressed in our society. Let's not encourage women to figure out how to pleasure themselves. Let's reprimand them and say that they're "slutty" for even trying it, because we don't want them to figure out how much control is seemingly within their reach. (Note, I know that no man has said this outright here. It's just a general sentiment underlying sexuality in our society). I know that men get flack for pleasuring themselves, too, but no one suggests that in society men will stop desiring women if men masturbate.

Regardless of the societal repression thing, I think you should know that sexual ecstasy is not really about mechanics with women. Emotional connection has a lot to do with it. In fact, it is essential in order to achieve ultimate pleasure. There's definitely a place for mechanics and technique, but that's not why women have desire for men.

P.S. Sorry if you think I'm taking this too seriously, but this is not an issue that I can take lightly. I don't think I can afford to take it lightly.

[CherokeeJack]

yousonuva said:

Hey Cherokee, that's a very intresting view. I have also thought of where men and women originated and to use your theory it would've happened from the very first living bacteria. Somewhere, somehow, they split up to become a reproducing entity. But not all organisms reproduce bisexually. There are unisex beings and if women find a way to be them, we're in deep s*it. But most women generally love us guys, cause mainly we do stuff for em, so until they get so sick of us , they start fixin the pipes themselves, I don't think we should worry about it too much.

I gotta ask, was any pharmicudical agent involved in developing this theory? I know it has to me.

Man.. blurryeye moved the topic just when I was about to post.

Nah yousonuva, just a belief thats been storming in my mind for some years now.
As society develops the enviromental need for us will vanish. I do not believe that we even have to worry about it now. They arent going to kill us off once they realize we arent needed... Well I hope not.


I think the "slutty" or "easy" or "loose" terms are generally used quite often because of the general fear of women empowerment, kinda similiar to what blacks face (you know when whites created all the Jim Crow laws because people believed they would rise up and kill everyone for what happened in the past, so lets alienate them as much as possible type of belief), but not so direct. I think its a fear of revenge for the past why women are constantly put in the lower light. Also the same reason why the valley girl trend tends to never go away and why we always exploit them and turn them into "sex machines" and "baby factories" on TV and else where. I think in general men are afraid (conciously or subconciously) to put women on an equal plain because the fear of role reversal or just revenge.