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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 1, 2023 12:46:35 GMT -5
Watching a little more of his video, I guess that's my main critique is that he's taking far too granular of an approach at what they're saying specifically in every riff versus the more holistic view of how they're filming and writing it, why, and what their overall intentions are.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 1, 2023 12:41:03 GMT -5
What in gods name are we even arguing about anymore? Or are we just arguing to argue?
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 1, 2023 12:38:45 GMT -5
That's why each reboot season needs to be treated as a different animal as far as the theater segments are concerned.
Season 11: Good intentions, TERRIBLE execution. Awful pace. Some very good riffs surrounded my endless filler riffs.
Season 12: Bad intentions, better execution. Slightly slower pace but still too fast. Dumbed-down, brainless fart-joke riffs.
Season 13: Good intentions, flawed execution. The correct pace. Boring, pedestrian, satire-free "kids gloves" riffs.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 1, 2023 12:33:26 GMT -5
If he liked Season 13 more than Season 11 then I REALLY don't trust his opinion.
Especially if he cares so much about the content of the riffs. There's actual LAUGHS in Season 11. Sure, they're surrounded by pointless filler riffs and bad delivery, but they're THERE.
Season 13 is deathly dull, with riffs as interesting to listen to as the hum of a refrigerator.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 1, 2023 11:57:04 GMT -5
I started it, then stopped when it became clear the main crux of his argument was going to be "it got woke" or some variation thereof. Even if I agree with some of his points, the "coastal elites vs hardworking Midwesterners" thing rubs me as simplistic and lazy.
Also, close dissection of every single joke is a fruitless task. You start to get waaayyy into the mire of "what's funny" which can mean different things for almost everyone.
For me, 75% of what didn't work was structural. How the show was written, shot and assembled, and where the focus on production was (on the host segments and not on the movie). 25% was to actual riff content.
With better production standards it could have been pretty close to classic MST, particularly in the first Netflix SEASON. The riffs themselves aren't generally too bad (in Season 11. Season 12 is a different animal).
If my editing skills weren't rudimentary garbage and I wasn't so damned lazy, I'd put out a similar-ish video with my own long-gestating thoughts on why OG MST worked and what they're missing in this go-around.
But they are and I am, so it's probably not going to happen.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Dec 1, 2023 6:26:56 GMT -5
I'm not reading all of that. If anyone made any salient points, congratulations.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 30, 2023 12:34:49 GMT -5
I seem to recall there was a "Tell us your thoughts" kind of thing just after 1302-Robot Wars was released.
And I only recall it because I know I told them that the writing in Santo was MUCH better than Robot Wars. And I also went on a long spiel about cutting the movies down to a uniform length.
But I don't recall them asking for feedback at the END of the season.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 29, 2023 16:59:42 GMT -5
They must've seen the numbers on who watched the episodes on G'Plex, Pluto, etc. They must have seen the drop off in viewers as the season went on. They must've seen some people's concerns over "production issues" (the catch-all term I'll use here).
But they seemingly were only concerned with the people that were mad about rewards. Which was a 2nd, probably more vocal group since it affected more people than just those of us that watched but had those "production issues".
And they worked to ameliorate the reward fiasco. But not the "production issues" outside of a quick reference in the FAQ about physical sets.
You know how far that would've gone with someone like me if they'd come out at the start and just said "we had x, y, z issues with production for Season 13, but we're fixing them and making them better for Season 14"?
Very far. But...they never did. They just wanted to make "more" and for people that cared about "production issues", "more" is not what was wanted.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 29, 2023 9:55:55 GMT -5
Has anyone heard anything else about the pop-up donation bar on Shout's website?
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 29, 2023 9:06:36 GMT -5
Rewatched the Jiger episode again last night, a solid 6-10 big laughs (Jim Henson's Sam Kinison Babies) and a good time throughout.
The biggest difference between this and the official version is the willingness to *go after* the movie and the goofyness of the people in it vs just "having a nice time with the movie" in Season 13. Pitch perfect.
Also, on a technical level you guys achieved the correct audio balance in the theater. I have no idea WHY Joel and Co. can't seem to figure out that one simple thing when FAN PRODUCTIONS can get it right.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 29, 2023 6:22:09 GMT -5
I think everyone should remain as cordial as they were during the campaign. It would be a shame to lose any of the progress that was made.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 28, 2023 21:20:46 GMT -5
Perfecto!
Man, imagine if Joel had somehow swung getting a new MST made in 2011-12 with the Cinematic Titanic crew. Gotta wonder what made him change course to a solo project after CT ended.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 28, 2023 21:08:23 GMT -5
Nevermind, got them.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 28, 2023 21:06:18 GMT -5
Andrew W. Dickman. I'm not sure how much I got of what he posted (I think it was on Tumblr) but I've got some. He said it was 2011. I've got a screencap included in the folder of what he wrote, and in part he said that originally Joel had all the original characters returning with Bill Hader: Pearl, Brain Guy, even Pitch. I hope this works, I just uploaded my folder to Google Drive. drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dv30JjLiyoiZJQ8hKPbXu74oH_Kvoy9w?usp=sharingCan view them, but not download them. Did you enable download for these?
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Post by Diet Kolos on Nov 28, 2023 21:04:09 GMT -5
PERFECT. Thank you.
If I ever get off my lazy ass and get going on my long, long gestating video on the new seasons and how we got where we are, these will be useful.
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