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Post by ds_36 on Jan 3, 2005 17:30:53 GMT -5
Assuming this does happen, this person probably would want money, not a whole season of MST3K. The best solution would probably be to setup a Paypal account (or something like that) to which everybody donates some money, once enough money is acquired it is used to purchase the episode/s and then the tape is immediatly donated to DAP, so everyone who helped pay for it gets to see it.
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Post by ds_36 on Dec 23, 2004 23:35:18 GMT -5
It might be less effort to petition Jim Mallon to part with the "missing." We could tell him to negotiate the rights, and we would pay any reasonable amount for them on DVD through Rhino -- anything up to $5,000 per copy anyway. Both methods would be pretty aggravating. And neither method may actually get the results that we're looking for (e.g. getting K00 is probably next to impossible, without getting someone from BBI on our side). My method probably would wind up being cheaper in monetary value, but probably more expensive in time spent. Going through Jim Mallon (or other BBI staff) would probably not be much eaiser. You'd have to convince him that there's enough fan interest to warrent getting the rights to those 3 movies, which most likely would be fairly expensive (considering that the copyright holders could sue him/BBI/KTMA for airing those episodes without rights. And on top of that K01 and K02 weren't exactly cheap movies. K01, was also impressive for it's time, has somewhat of a cult following, and the original series is Available on DVD. K02, was very impressive for its time with a budget of £1,500,000, currently has a cult following, the original series is available on DVD, and is currently being remade. And we can't forget that K03 is from BBI's great friend Sandy Frank, although they may be able to get the rights to the TV series that it came from, Sutâurufu, which may actually be in English. [So, after all this, we've established that only K00 has any chance of appearing like this. Since it was low budget, unaired, and wasn't realeased in the US by someone who was offended by the show]) Then you'd have to convince him that people would buy it at a considerbly higher price than any other DVD/VHS (when the actual episodes would be pretty bad, even though the video and audio itself would be great!). So, unless anybody here happens to have access to the BBI vault and would somehow leak the episodes, going through Jim Mallon/BBI probably won't be much eaiser than my solution. One more question, has anyone asked Jim Mallon or other BBI staff about releasing the KTMAs recently? It is always possible that they'd reconsider it, and if they were interested, despite all the problems I outlined above (and other I'm unaware of) they'd probably be able to find a way... Maybe they could just have some type of screening of K00-K03.
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Post by ds_36 on Dec 22, 2004 20:02:56 GMT -5
I don't know if this is an urban legend, but I was told someone a couple of years ago took out an ad in a Minneapolis paper offering a $500 reward for the missing episodes and came up with nothing. In my opinion, tracking down everyone who lived in Minneapolis at the time sounds like a better solution than that. It's not accounting for the people who might've moved out of town, you see. That and the fact that printing an ad requires a few things from the owner(s) of those episode(s) A) They see the publication with the ad (how widespread was this ad? was it in a big publication?) B) They're interested in the show (they may just be holding onto the tapes for archival purposes, having no real interst in the show) C) They actually know what's on those old tapes up in their attic (how many of you can name what's on all of your tapes recorded off of TV from 15+ years ago?) D) They have enough interest in the $500 reward (not incredibily large, when you realize that you have to contact someone, and then try to convince them that you actually do have those episodes and you're not just crazy) E) If you inform them about the rarity, and how much it's worth, you have to hope that they'd be nice enough to actually go to the post office and mail it to you. And not list it on eBay and try to make $1,000's (you know how much people love money). Of course, for D or E to happen, you have to take the big leap of them reading the publication and hoping that B is true of them. The problem with that solution is it relies on the people to know way too much. With my solution, you take out all the work for them. If somebody was offering money to just check people's old tapes, and then told them there's a possibility to get more money if something is found many more people would be interested and allow the checker to check the tapes. Espically since the owner would have to do no extra work at all.
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Post by ds_36 on Dec 22, 2004 19:45:43 GMT -5
I don't know if this is an urban legend, but I was told someone a couple of years ago took out an ad in a Minneapolis paper offering a $500 reward for the missing episodes and came up with nothing. Does anybody actually know weather or not this is true? I remember this being posted as possibly happening before? If it hasn't actually been done, it would be a decent start to trying to find those lost episodes.
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Post by ds_36 on Dec 22, 2004 19:38:19 GMT -5
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Post by ds_36 on Dec 22, 2004 11:28:12 GMT -5
I think I'm going to petition the Gov of Minnesota and ask that it be made a law - That all who lived in that area, during that time, who had a VCR. Needs to go through and watch everyone of their old recordings and see if they have copies of these experiments. As I've always thought, if someone had enough time, energy, and money, they could simply look up everyone who lived in the area at the time, and go visit them all. Ask if they had a VCR back in 1988, and if they would mind us borrowing their old tapes to review them (possibly offer money, if they're being difficult about it), and then if you do actually find the episode/s offer them some type of reward money. Chances are someone, somewhere does have these episodes, but they're not really fans of the show, or they don't have internet access, so they're unaware of the rarirty of what they're holding. Look right here at K15, things like this do happen.
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Post by ds_36 on Dec 7, 2004 17:10:11 GMT -5
Manos, actually had a good chance at being a decent movie. Because it was made with much love from the cast and crew (at least, that's how they started). If they had simply had a decent budget, they probably could've made a hit movie.
Time Chasers, had a decent budget, but I doubt if it had the same cast and crew love that Manos had. Most of it's problems aren't really the story, but the execution.
If Manos had Time Chasers' budget, it probably would've been a much better movie. If Time Chasers had Manos love...well, it could've been a decent movie, but since it was considerbly more complicated, I wouldn't say that as a fact.
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Post by ds_36 on Dec 22, 2004 11:03:33 GMT -5
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Post by ds_36 on Nov 14, 2004 18:48:37 GMT -5
...At first I thought making fun of poorly-made movies was a bit "rude"... I was thinking something similar while I was watching my first episode. My thoughts were basically that it was mean for them to be talking over a movie that people worked hard to make. I was young back then, and thought every movie was old. I also really didn't equate a movie being B&W with it being old, since I had always watched a lot of B&W movies, with most of them being good. I wasn't really able to get into that episode at all then and my Mom, who I was with, didn't really like it either. But something about it kept me interested and I sat through the whole thing, and those "heads" in the cornor stuck with me until I finally found that Boggy Creek episode on Sci-Fi. That's when I really started liking the show, and downloading episodes from DAP.
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Post by ds_36 on Nov 13, 2004 6:20:55 GMT -5
The first episode I saw was "First Spaceship On Venus" I think I saw it back in 1996 at the Museum of Natural History, in New York. After that, I hadn't seen any episodes for a long time, due to no cable. I saw Boggy Creek II on Sci-Fi early August of 2003. Then shortly after I found DAP and started downloading episodes. I haven't gotten around to either of these two yet, so I don't know how sentimental I feel about them.
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Post by ds_36 on Oct 21, 2004 7:41:20 GMT -5
The thing about having K00-K03 was a joke. i'm glad to see at least one person fell to my evil plan. No, I didn't really believe it was true. The fact that you also had K00 pretty much gave it away, since that was never actually aired, nobody would have it on tape. Unless, somebody officially connect with the show finally decided to release those episodes (though I doubt it would happen this way)
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Post by ds_36 on Oct 19, 2004 18:45:32 GMT -5
Cool, thanks!!!! I was hoping you'd decide to put it online (either like this or through DAP)
And in response to your thing about the guy who says he can get K00-K03. Just want to wish you good luck getting all lost episodes/segments released at around the same time. (not that I'd really put a lot of faith on him - but who knows, keep us updated).
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Post by ds_36 on Oct 18, 2004 19:14:31 GMT -5
My guess is they had no idea what they were doing, because by the time Gamera aired, they could have repeated SST Death Flight. You're probably right. Although, on the negative side, if they had been smart enough to air SST Death Flight instead of Gamera, there may be 4 lost episodes now. And just imagine waiting, and hoping to see an episode as exciting as Gamera is.
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Post by ds_36 on Oct 18, 2004 19:01:17 GMT -5
...K05- Repeated on Easter Sunday, suspected to be from that day... Seriously, it probably says a lot about the first 3 episodes if they chose to air the episode where Joel appears alone in the theater as a repeat. They also repeated K07, which was missing Crow. We know at least K03 had all three in the theater, so either whoever scheduled the repeats really had no idea what they were doing, or this really does speak in volumes for the quality of those episodse.
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Post by ds_36 on Oct 18, 2004 18:42:07 GMT -5
I agree fully with GoFigure, somebody figure out how to get it uploaded to DAP so the most people could get the enjoyment out of this host segment as possible, without paying for the episode twice.
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