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Post by TomServo69 on Jan 21, 2004 20:55:57 GMT -5
Conservatives give me a headache. Feh. Anyway, French films. Yeah, "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge" is great -- I remember seeing it several times in school. Decidedly less great was "A Little Romance," which my high school French teacher forced us to sit through every year. I also liked "The Piano Teacher," "8 1/2 Women," the Blue-White-Red trilogy, and "Les Pacts des Loup s" (i.e. "Brotherhood of the Wolf"). Hey, at least we can still agree on some things. Of course, when it comes to politics and policy, I don't think anyone ever FULLY agrees. Servo
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Jan 21, 2004 21:51:45 GMT -5
I try to stay away from politics on this board. It angers the blood.
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Post by TomServo69 on Jan 22, 2004 0:44:37 GMT -5
I try to stay away from politics on this board. It angers the blood. I believe that to be the explicit purpose of politics. The rest is just hogwash and malarkey. Hehehe, I used malarkey, Servo
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Post by Emperor Cupcake on Jan 22, 2004 20:20:58 GMT -5
True dat, yo.
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Post by Phantom Engineer on Jan 22, 2004 23:09:06 GMT -5
Hehehe, I used malarkey, Servo I used malarkey untill I started getting a rash. I had to quit for a while.
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Post by Monstrcaldgamera on Feb 13, 2004 11:38:01 GMT -5
Dennis Miller on filmmaker Michael Moore during a 2003 episode of The Tonight Show:
"He's going to wake up every day for the rest of his life, and he's going to tell us how he hates everything about this country except his right to hate it. And then we say that we love it and he's going to tell us what naive sheep we are and that he's the true patriot because he hates it and he sees all the problems in it. Yeah, right, Mike. You know something, if my yawn got any bigger they'd have to assign it a hurricane name, okay? Michael Moore simultaneously represents everything I detest in a human being and everything I feel obligated to defend in an American. Quite simply, it is that stupid moron's right to be that utterly, completely wrong."
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Post by Blurryeye on Feb 13, 2004 14:00:26 GMT -5
For an unbiased, deeply disturbing, and far more accurate portrayal of a high school shooting see "Elephant", directed by Gus Van Sant. I just saw it last week in the art-house theater in Lincoln, NE, so it may be on DVD already. It features genuine characters that will remind you of several people you have known, and you don't know who the killer turns out to be until halfway through the movie. Various responses to the senseless attack are shown. No response is more or less successful than any other at saving lives.
This movie offers no explanation or answers to the questions it raises. The motivations for the killings are frighteningly ambiguous. One gets the sense that it is just part of a malevolent force of death that exists everywhere in the universe. The title refers to the "elephant" that is in everyone's living room, but that we all ignore. What happens when the elephant decides to run rampant? What can anyone do about it? The answer is, not much. This movie won the Grand Jury Prize at the Cannes Film Festival in 2003.
So if you're looking for a political-rant-free depiction of a high school shooting that is really a work of art, see "Elephant".
French movies: They are hit and miss for me. They are all definitely "cool", being moody and atmospheric. But sometimes they are too recondite. "Shoot The Piano Player", "Les Diabolique", and "Amelie" I have liked. "L'Avventura" and "The 400 Blows" I just don't get.
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Post by CherokeeJack on Feb 13, 2004 15:35:16 GMT -5
Answer me this though? If he's just "stating opinion" as you say, why does he go and harass someone like Charton Heston? Hell, he's just the spokesman for the NRA, not the president. Not once did I see it mentioned that MM even attempted to contact the ruling facility of the NRA. But that's just one opinion. You know, he spoke of how most gun violence occured in urban, low-income areas. He also mention music, mainly Marilyn Manson and Ozzy, as I remember as I one viewing was all I could stand. What about the facts that most rappers rap about violence, rape, and drug dealing. That was never mentioned. He didn't go to the inner city and interview people, he stuck to the suburbs. Sounding biased now? What about the fact that he only talked to members of these militias and people directly involved in these tragedies he focused on, rather than talking to those that live in the communities these groups are based in that, from my research, are really unconcerned about them. And the cartoon about the evolution of America, oh the cartoon, he made Southerners, as well as others, look like complete racists throughout history. What about the facts Michael? The facts that the Civil War was over money and states rights, not slavery. Starting to sound biased? As a gun owner, for sport and protection, and a Southerner, who, at one point, dated an African-American woman, I was personally offended by the one-sided, biased, completely inaccurate viewpoint presented. And, yeah, you're right about the China thing, but, if you're going to use other countries pasts as examples to prove your point, shouldn't you examine those countries viewpoints on the issue in the past, as well as now? But, that's just my opinion, and I'm gonna state it, And I respect yours, Servo Ok, I cant sit this one out. First off... Why is freedom of speech and sticking up for others who don't have much of a voice so "anit" american? Wasnt this country founded so that we have a right to say as we wish and make sure others have equal rights? Thats what Micheal Moore is doing and it is obvious no one here really knows anything about him. He's rich? He lives in a house (it has a yard and a fence, nothing specail) outside of Flint MI. He eats at wendys. He's not rich. Sure he's got more money than most of us, but he doesnt do it for the cash. Watch Roger and Me, he's sticking up for the workers who get screwed (and Flint MI) when the major car company pulled out sending the entire area into a downward spiral just so Roger (CEO) could get more money by investing over seas where it was cheaper.. Leaving Americans out in the cold as they suffered jobless. When the company left so did the money and much hope for the future. Who is more anti american here? Micheal Moore for telling the story? HESTON IS THE NRA PRESIDENT: www.nrawinningteam.com/hestquot.html Dont you think it was abit tastless for him to hold those conferences right after the shootings? where our children died? Yes rappers do rap about violence and rape, but also keep in mind that rap is run by white corporate America, who capitolizes on it and keeps investing in this negative stero type. There are tons of rappers who support a positive image, but its the exploitation of the black race which sales. If he talked about all of the communities involved then that would be a long ass movie. He made his point and didn't need to go further anyway. His point was that we live in a very violent society which unfortunately exploided into columbine. He was investigating why it happened and the relevencey involved which was the oklahoma city bombing where women, children lost their lives and militia men happened to be involved. This shows that America is stil a vioent country as the media likes to downplay, but I guess we should just ignore this domestic TERRORISM and fat communists who try to tell the truth, but just get shot down by the very same people they are trying to support. I live in Chattanooga Tennessee and I think that cartoon was rather justified. Being a white guy even I run into constant racism which still focuses on blacks. All of what happened in the cartoon was true. Racism and slavery did exist and we can't ignore it. Racism still happens today. Its only been forty years since the civil rights movement and when martan luther was shot (by a white man), its still potent and disgraceful. Its good to refresh ourselves that this terrible rash on our society still exists. We just need to reconise that America will probably never be perfect, but we just need to make the best of it and make sure no one isn't left behind. We need to question our authorities (justly), we need to be America's checks and balances so we don't get screwed in the end by people who care more about money then our personal well-being. We all want to live in a country were we can raise our children in a safe enviroment, make sure they live in a just and fair society. If this is anti-american then I'm moving. www.michaelmoore.com/
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Post by CherokeeJack on Feb 13, 2004 15:38:01 GMT -5
Run Lola Run... nice movie.. way too hyped however. Zombie is really fun though.
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Post by Buddhist Kitten on Feb 13, 2004 15:40:03 GMT -5
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FRENCH MOVIES, YOU OPINIONATED MONKEYS!!!!!
Sorry. Anyway, let us change the topic to movies in general. I saw Jackie Brown recently, and that is a cool movie. Pam Grier was great. Quentin Tarantino rocks. I really wish to see the bonus thingies in the future.
DISCUSS!!
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Post by CherokeeJack on Feb 13, 2004 15:45:39 GMT -5
But the topic is bowling for columbine, Run Lola Run, and Zombie. I was displaying what was only relevent.
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Post by TomServo69 on Feb 13, 2004 15:54:11 GMT -5
You know what Cherokee? I agree with you on some points. I strongly disagree on others. I'll just disagree. You live in Tennessee? You have to put up with it? I live in Montgomery Alabama. It's not that I have to put up with racism, it's that no one with let it go. Sure, it happened, the Revolutionary War also happened. Do we bitch out the British constantly? No. I'm not going to cite particulars of your comments, just broadbase it. Sure, he stands up SOOOO much for the rights of those who "don't have a voice". If he can do it, they can too. He IS biased. To the point of ridicule. So, taking the points of all would make it too long? I suppose that justifies him just putting his personal opinions in it. It's so obvious that only his opinion matters so, why worry? He harassed people, berated people, berated the country based on facts from a historical viewpoint he didn't even live through, and told half-truths and bias. And on your MLK remark, no one is sure who killed MLK. Even his surviving family doesn't think James Earl Ray did it. You know who it probably was? The Black Panthers. Talk about irony.
This is all I'm saying, I have to talk about it enough living around here, hell, it's forced upon me around here,
No more commentary from me, do your worst,
OUT!!!
Servo
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Post by CherokeeJack on Feb 13, 2004 16:11:01 GMT -5
You know what Cherokee? I agree with you on some points. I strongly disagree on others. I'll just disagree. You live in Tennessee? You have to put up with it? I live in Montgomery Alabama. It's not that I have to put up with racism, it's that no one with let it go. Sure, it happened, the Revolutionary War also happened. Do we bitch out the British constantly? No. I'm not going to cite particulars of your comments, just broadbase it. Sure, he stands up SOOOO much for the rights of those who "don't have a voice". If he can do it, they can too. He IS biased. To the point of ridicule. So, taking the points of all would make it too long? I suppose that justifies him just putting his personal opinions in it. It's so obvious that only his opinion matters so, why worry? He harassed people, berated people, berated the country based on facts from a historical viewpoint he didn't even live through, and told half-truths and bias. And on your MLK remark, no one is sure who killed MLK. Even his surviving family doesn't think James Earl Ray did it. You know who it probably was? The Black Panthers. Talk about irony. This is all I'm saying, I have to talk about it enough living around here, hell, it's forced upon me around here, No more commentary from me, do your worst, OUT!!! Servo Ok, MLK "may" not of been killed by a white guy. I forgot that was still being contested. But come on Micheal Moore always uses facts when he "attacks" others. Everyone attacks everyone, but he always has facts. Correct me if Im wrong, but doesnt the past influence the future? What does it matter if he was alive or not. He's forty now, he's been on this planet longer than most. I can say slavery was wrong, but then again I wasnt there, nor was I a slave. We all voice our viewpoints and use our bias. does it mean we are fat communists and/or anti-american? Im just sick and tired of being called anti-american (I know you havent called me that, Im just saying) because my ideal for a better america happens to be different from others, but we all want the same thing. Peace, Freedom, and prosperity. We just go through different avenues. Its obvious you dont agree with Micheal Moore, but he always has facts to back up his arguments. Everything he said in bowling for columbine was true www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/ . biased or not, it was all based on facts. And if no one lets it go, isnt that racism? We dont bitch out the british because they are their own country, with allies. Its called being diplomatic. Besides, WWI and WWII kind of overshadow our revolutionary war.
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Post by Mr. Atari on Feb 13, 2004 21:54:14 GMT -5
"We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president."- from Moore's Oscar Speech.
Well, that's an attack, and whether you like Bush or not, those simply are not the facts. He was elected based on the election rules of the United States Consitution- he had more electoral votes. Even after an embarrassing amount of recounts, the guy won Florida. So he lost the national popular vote- it doesn't matter.
Hey Moore, this America you're so fervent about defending? Try reading its constitution.
Boy, I was so glad that this thread had disappeared for a while.
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Post by Buddhist Kitten on Feb 14, 2004 14:17:02 GMT -5
My Lord, you people love to argue! Why can we not just all get along?
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