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Post by Mr. Atari on Feb 19, 2004 20:52:01 GMT -5
Gorphax (and everybody), sorry for hijacking the thread.
For what it's worth, I liked Run Lola Run.
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Post by ash2 on Feb 19, 2004 22:21:21 GMT -5
Okay Sampo, you're right. Let's forget about politics. I'd love to have some hamdingers and watch a Joe Don Baker movie. Plus, guess what? I liked Run Lola Run too.
John
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Post by CherokeeJack on Feb 20, 2004 1:45:04 GMT -5
I, for one, am glad we have a President who doesn't play to polling data on moral issues, but stands by his convictions- whether I agree with them or not. It's a mark of a good leader who is willing to stand by his convictions even if it makes him some enemies. Sorry... I have to... Isnt a president suppose to go with the sway of the american public and not his personal convictions? After all a president is elected by "the people". I mean isn't it kings and dictators who don't listen to the people and go by what they believe is right? I think a better a leader is some one who has a better ear for the public and honestly I have only seen Bush seperating the public instead of bringing together a country.
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Post by Poe33 on Feb 20, 2004 17:48:27 GMT -5
I Love Michael Moore. He has guts and he represents what patriotism should be. He questions the immorality of his own country in order to make it a better place.
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Post by lemminkimmen on Feb 20, 2004 19:56:10 GMT -5
Besides that, Poe, he was also an awesome James Bond-
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Post by lemminkimmen on Feb 20, 2004 19:56:38 GMT -5
and that was a "wink" after that last line...
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Post by TomServo69 on Feb 20, 2004 23:06:08 GMT -5
I Love Michael Moore. He has guts and he represents what patriotism should be. He questions the immorality of his own country in order to make it a better place. I'm sorry I can't hold my voice any longer. How does he represent patriotism? How is he making this country a better place? By making documentaries about the problems? That does absolutely nothing but put even MORE emphasis than the media does already on these problems in the country. If he wants to make the country a better place, why doesn't he go volunteer at a homeless shelter? Or work at a center for underprivledged children? I guess he's too busy making the country better by pointing out the faults. It's a lot easier to talk about it than it is to take action. And that's all he does, talk, Servo
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Post by Mr. Atari on Feb 21, 2004 0:03:14 GMT -5
***tags Servo***
You're it.
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Post by ash2 on Feb 21, 2004 10:29:34 GMT -5
actually Servo, I believe Moore discusses subjects that no one else is willing to. For instance, his next film will be about terrorism but instead of taking the same perspective most people take ie asking "why terrorists hate us?" moore plans to ask "why don't more people hate America?"
Moore's contribution to society is much more important then if he volunteered at a soup kitchen. The very fact that we are discussing his films suggests that we have both seen it and evaluated our views towards it. To me that is invaluable.
John
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Post by lemminkimmen on Feb 21, 2004 11:33:23 GMT -5
I'm sorry I can't hold my voice any longer. How does he represent patriotism? How is he making this country a better place? By making documentaries about the problems? That does absolutely nothing but put even MORE emphasis than the media does already on these problems in the country. If he wants to make the country a better place, why doesn't he go volunteer at a homeless shelter? Or work at a center for underprivledged children? I guess he's too busy making the country better by pointing out the faults. It's a lot easier to talk about it than it is to take action. And that's all he does, talk, Servo Sorry, Servo-but I can't let you slide on this one- First, how the heck have you been "holding your voice"? This thread has more than one post by you. I guess you meant you were holding your voice on this page. Second, to suggest that talking about problems is doing nothing, I can not disagree more. Moore's work does stimulate discussion on both sides on any argument, and that can never be a bad thing-(unless of course you are George Orwell's government of 1984, in which case you would definitely NOT want people talking about anything that might upset the status quo) Think about it-a corrupt government does not want its populace discussing its policies-or questioning its motives. I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who said, "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. " Just a thought-
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Post by lemminkimmen on Feb 21, 2004 11:43:29 GMT -5
" guess he's too busy making the country better by pointing out the faults. It's a lot easier to talk about it than it is to take action."
I will say this about this part of your quote: It sounds to me like you're referring to Matt Drudge.
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Post by TomServo69 on Feb 21, 2004 11:55:27 GMT -5
I was referring to no one. Sure, he points out problems and expects others to do things about them. I suppose that's a good thing but, shouldn't he take some action himself. I've rethought a few things and, yes, he does provide a service by informing the uninformed, but, when I refer to him being able to do more valuable things, I just think that he could. I volunteer a great deal. Hell, I'm a teacher. You'd just think with as much influence as he has over people obviously, he would do some "activity" rather than "informing". That's just me though, at least he's making a valid attempt at trying to get someone to change things that are wrong with this country, most people are just sitting on their asses. Just my thoughts though Servo
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Post by lemminkimmen on Feb 21, 2004 12:04:15 GMT -5
Roger that, Servo, sounds like we both are concerned about the same thing: trying to make this a country a better place.
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