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Post by vgaddict on Apr 19, 2019 14:54:32 GMT -5
Live shows are a good way for Jonah, Hampton and Baron to get more riffing experience between seasons.
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Post by dignan on Apr 19, 2019 15:13:44 GMT -5
Baron and Hampton weren’t on the last tour (and I believe it was the puppeteers who took over for them for the voices, and honestly, it made me wonder why they weren’t using the puppeteers as the voices for the studio episodes, they were hilarious).
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Post by kidflash on Apr 20, 2019 20:50:58 GMT -5
Depends on the show and the rights holder. For example, Sony is trying to extricate One Day At A Time from Netflix to move it to CBS All Access and running into problems. (Although I'd read that they would be able to restart production in the summer, so who knows.) Not to go too far off topic, but I read this and wondered "why the hell would CBS care about a mediocre 1970s sitcom staring Valerie Bertinelli, even if it used to be on their network?" Then I looked it up and realized "Oh, they did a remake for Netflix recently. Wait, who the hell would want a remake of that show? It's got a 98 percent rating at Rotten Tomatoes? What in the living #(*&$(*# is going on?" Netflix seems to be dealing with a lot of stuff. Disney and Apple are about to start streaming services to compete with them and they have a lot of original programming coming out in addition to MST3K. I'm not worrying about renewal just yet. It's apparently very good, but Netflix decided to cancel it - they want to keep the churn of fresh product going and Season 4 of a sitcom wouldn't draw in as many eyeballs. The problem is that Netflix has very draconian contracts, so it's not as easy as 'Netflix cancels show, show's producers take it to new network or service.' Something for Joel and Shout to think about.
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Post by BoB3K on Apr 22, 2019 22:33:13 GMT -5
So -- this isn't "the end of MST3K," and they've got "a lot more news abrewin'." Based on that, plus the upbeat tone of the message, I'd guess that another season of MST3K is in the works. But if they're "starting with" an announcement about the live tour on June 1, then we probably won't hear anything about a new season before then. So I guess we have at least another month and a half to wait. You should read more Joel posts. They all sound like that. I think that he would couch an incoming asteroid with the same type of language.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Apr 24, 2019 8:29:00 GMT -5
Has the possibility been entertained that the next live tour and Season 13 are one and the same? The innuendo Season 12 ended on might be more than mere advertisement.
As radical an idea as this may sound, consider that the subtitle given to each season of the revival series has ascribed a theme or gimmick to it. The Return, The Gauntlet. Could live episodes be Kinga's next stunt?
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Post by Diet Kolos on Apr 24, 2019 10:56:53 GMT -5
You mean tape the shows and put them on Netflix later?
Unless they riff 6+ different movies while on tour, I hardly see a point.
1 or 2 might be fun supplemental material to a new season, but I can't think that would be anything Netflix would want.
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Post by majorjoe23 on Apr 24, 2019 12:29:42 GMT -5
I've considered this. They could rent out a theater in LA, perform the four previous films and two new ones over the course of a few weeks/a month, edit together the best parts and put out a "Live" season of six episodes.
Netflix puts out a lot of live specials by comedians, so it could make sense.
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Post by Megalon on Apr 24, 2019 14:15:17 GMT -5
Hm... Sounds plausible. I think it's unlikely, and I wouldn't like it, but it's possible.
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Post by BoB3K on Apr 24, 2019 18:34:42 GMT -5
Hm... Sounds plausible. I think it's unlikely, and I wouldn't like it, but it's possible. Mostly agree, see edit for my opinion.
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Post by monkeypretzel on Apr 26, 2019 17:29:18 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 23:05:39 GMT -5
Personally, I hope the show does not continue, at least not in it's current format.
They've completely overblown the program. What was only supposed to be a movie hosting show has been blown up to movie-budget per episode. And now with Season 12, we get the shortest episodes yet, and they've even done away with the middle host segment. Why? To appeal to new viewers? Or to just alienate the audience that brought the show back in the first place?
Hopefully, if the show continues, they will scale back extremely. I would prefer if they didn't have to go out of their way to secure all the movies for world wide distribution, as well as home video rights. This is silly, and ridiculous, and it's killing the show. Originally, all they had to worry about was the network showing the episodes, and that was it. We recorded them, and "circulated the tapes." Now, unfortunately, greed has reared it's ugly head, and now all rights must be cleared ahead of time. That's strangling the program. That, plus a very expensive union shoot in Los Angeles. It's unnecessary.
Take Svengoolie, for example. They show the movies, then next week it's a new episode. They don't have to worry with all that home video/worldwide rights nonsense. True, clean home video copies are nice to buy from Shout, but I would seriously prefer the old method, at this point.
Plus, the comeback appears to be the worst thing to happen to the fandom. I've never seen it so split. Forget the Facebook groups. It's not like you could get any real insightful, informed conversation on social media, but it's gotten really bad. You can't even mention you have issues with the new series or they'll bite your head off. So sad there's that many sycophant MSTies. I'm staying here and at MST3Kinfo.com , where the fandom quietly stayed alive all these years.
The new show isn't all bad, it's just unnecessarily overblown, and it's going to implode on itself. Best to put greed aside, and go back to basics. Otherwise, it may be best to just ride off into the sunset.
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Post by Udvarnoky on Apr 30, 2019 9:44:56 GMT -5
Complaining about the fact that they want to get the rights in order is absolutely baffling. We are STILL, and will forever be, dealing with the problems caused by the problem of movie rights for the episodes of the original show. The idea that they should not bother to future-proof the new episodes to save cash would be boneheaded and irresponsible on Shout!'s part.
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Post by Diet Kolos on Apr 30, 2019 10:46:17 GMT -5
Complaining about the fact that they want to get the rights in order is absolutely baffling. We are STILL, and will forever be, dealing with the problems caused by the problem of movie rights for the episodes of the original show. The idea that they should not bother to future-proof the new episodes to save cash would be boneheaded and irresponsible on Shout!'s part. Yeah. I don't get that complaint. There's a lot of stuff to complain about, but that one seems like the least problematic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 17:36:14 GMT -5
Let me try to explain why I feel securing Home Video Rights is the most problematic thing.
MST3K was never designed to be sold after the fact. They were meant to be shown during a contracted amount of time, and then they would simply just go away. Of course, tape traders kept the legacy alive.
Does any other movie hosting show sell it's episodes? Not Svengoolie, not Joe Bob Briggs, and only a few of Elvira's cheapest movies has surfaced on official home video. For that matter, does Saturday Night Live sell their current episodes? It would be a licensing nightmare. I mean, Joe Bob came back last year, and already a few of the films he hosted last summer have expired and been removed from the streaming service.
What I feel MST3K should have done was go back to their roots, super low-budget. Find a network, cable or streaming service that has a good movie library. That network can clear the movies, show them for a limited time, and then done. That was the old way, and it worked.
Cut to present day, where Shout Factory has realized there's money to be made. Each episode must be for sale! That has got to extremely limit the film choices. Not to mention having to clear the show for international audiences. I mean, we're down to six episodes in season 12. Securing all those rights has got to be a factor. Where as the old way, where they are not trying to sell it after the fact, has got to be less expensive, less complicated, and ultimately produce more content. Sure, we'd have to keep "circulating the tapes," but in today's HD age, we wouldn't have to worry about 8th generation SLP VHS copies. But you can't make money off of fan copies...
Basically, I just don't understand the need to go so big budget Hollywood with what is essentially puppets talking back to movies. It's stifling.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 17:41:09 GMT -5
Would you like 24 episodes a year, but you couldn't buy them, or 6 episodes every year and a half, but you could buy them?
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